Hello Marck, Tuesday, October 19, 2004, 5:15:57 PM, you wrote:
> Dear Morpheus, > @19-Oct-2004, 16:23 Morpheus [M] in > mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Alexander: > .. <snip> >>> Sorry to jump in here but I can't bear reading this any longer. :-) >>> The IP address "127.0.0.1" is also called *localhost* - it >>> (usually) is your OWN machine! Ping 127.0.0.1 will have your own >>> computer answer your ping request. > Correct. >>> You *must* have something sitting in between TheBat! and your >>> POP3/IMAP server, there's no way around that. > 100% true. M>> Very pleased to have you jump in. Thank you for converting my M>> message to something Techies can understand rather than the IT M>> illiterate idiots like me ;-) > Well, you are clearly missing something that I have been trying to say > and has now been said by someone else. M>> The only application that divides me from incoming mail is Kerio M>> Personal Firewall and I use AVG Anti Virus which is not capable of M>> recognising my incoming mail unless I try to open it and it contains a M>> virus it will then intercept. > .. but wait ... there's more that *you* (clearly and sadly) don't > realize about your own computer system ... M>> I collect my mail by using 127.0.0.1 which you quite rightly point M>> out is my own machine. > Not only is it your machine, but it is a *piece of software* on your > machine listening on TCP/IP port 110 (the POP3 port) to your requests > for your email from The Bat! That software then digs it out of the > "folder" and sends it to you. It is software. It is software that > opens an email message from the folder and sends it to TB. > *THAT* is the software that is eating your messages. Sorry, but you > don't seem to be understanding this basic and fundamental point I (and > others) are making here. M>> My satellite connection downloads mail without my PC being directly M>> connected to the internet via my ISP > "downloads"? By magic? Not really. It uses the POP3 protocol on an > open TCP/IP connection. And it's not the "satellite connection" that > does it. It is software that uses the open connection to do it. > Software provided by your ISP. Faulty software, IMHO. M>> and dumps the mail into a personal folder and using 127.0.0.1 M>> successfully locates this folder and gives me email. > That is not correct. It seems to me that you don't understand the > process quite enough. > 127.0.0.1 is the IP address of a *Mail Server* - a mail server program > running on your computer itself. Your satellite software includes a > local mail server and tries to blind you with non-science by calling > it "a folder". It's not a folder. It's a local mail server - a piece > of software (whether or not you previously knew that). M>> There are NO additional local spam filters nor message mangling M>> programs > But there is. It's the software from your satellite ISP. The one that > calls itself a "mail folder". I believe that is what is mangling your > mail on delivery. I have no idea why it should do that. Contact your > ISP and check that you have the latest version and start ranting to > them about POP3 compatibility, because IMHO you are calling the wrong > kettle "black". M>> although I have never heard of one of these and would surely know M>> if I had downloaded and installed one presumably. > Well, it seems to me that you actually don't know ... and without > realising it ... you did! I have decided not to snip as I dont know what bits would be best to snip :-) You really are very abrupt Marck. We or should I say I am not as literate in these matters as you so obviously are but that does not mean I am a dunce, nor does it prevent me from wishing to learn more so chill dude. Using my language I can see inside 'the folder' the raw messages so if anything was going to 'mangle' it as you poetically put it, would it not have done so already? Yet when I look at the raw message in my TEXTEDITOR I see the whole and not the stripped message TheBat! offers up to me. When I open TheBat! and ask to see my messages it pulls them from the folder and does its thing. If the satellite software was going to strip the emails why would it not have done so already. Your logic to me at least makes no sense. After my uninstall and reinstall the problem has not disappeared but I may well do so you will be pleased to know. -- Morpheus ________________________________________________ Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
