Hiya,

I see a lot of folks preferring option 1 which is basically
to wait and see if some magic pixie dust appears before November
that causes the WG to achieve rough consensus for one approach
over the other.

The WG have failed to choose a *startung point* a couple of
times now and all that will happen in the next 4 months (including
holidays) is that the two proposals will be slightly harder to
separate since the authors will inevitable try adopt the strengths
of the alternative proposal where possible and mitigate whatever
has been seen as a weakness in their own proposal. I have seen
this pattern a number of times in the IETF and it has always
ended badly that I've seen. This one seems to me to be ending
similarly badly, sadly.

Can someone explain why I'm highly likely to be wrong and just
what pixie dust will magically appear here and help over the
long hot summer? (During which many sensible folk will go away
for a month.)

IMO, option 1 == more pointless prevarication. Closing the WG
now or letting Martin pick now are the only sensible choices IMO.

I think asking the AD to pick is more sensible in cases like
this since regardless of which *starting point* is adopted, the
WG will get to change that however they like before the process
is done. We are not doing an IETF LC here, we're supposed to be
deciding which *starting point* to work from, more than a year
after we should have gotten that done. I also don't see any need
for RFC3929 stuff here, nor do I think that is suited for cases
like this at all. IMO Martin can decide based on his take on
the reasonable set of technical arguments already made, none of
which are really "winning."

Frankly, I think the unwillingness to choose-and-make-progress
in this WG is demonstrating the IETF at it's near worst. (And
yes, this is written in irritated-by-that mode;-)

S.


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