Hi all,

I really like what Kathleen and Robert are saying.  I’ve incorporated
quantitatively-oriented journal articles in two different soc classes,
statistics and research methods.  In both instances, students really
struggled, but with a lot of assistance they also learned quite a bit.
And in both instances, students recognized that they learned
tremendously and they felt much more confident to engage quantitative
material on their own.  Part of this confidence-building process is to
help them learn that they do not need to know all the details of
quantitative analyses to understand the strengths and limitations of a
particular article.  

Thanks to all for the postings on this topic, especially to Mike
DeCesare for getting us to address this a bit more deeply,
Michael


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Kathleen McKinney
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:08 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: TEACHSOC: Re: List of Sociology Journals

I agree that John and Mike raise some valid and important points. At the
same time, scholarly journal articles--for better or worse--are one
(the?) major way we make public the research in our discipline. I think
it would be remiss to not expose undergraduate students to this type of
work. I also believe it is not an either-or, understand all or do not,
statistics too hard or not, etc. situation. 

First, not all of our scholarly articles are empirical and, if
empirical, quantitative. Second, students can often understand much of a
difficult article even if not all. Third, students can often understand
a quantitative article (the question, general method, results in words,
discussion...) even if they don't follow all of the statistics. Fourth,
the challenge and struggle to understand (if not too extreme) can be a
useful experience. Fifth, I think they learn some things about our
field, discourse and genres, what we do, ways of knowing, etc.--again,
perhaps for better or worse but still learning-- by reading articles
(though that is an empirical SoTL question!). Sixth, as others have
already offered, there is much we can do to help our students to better
understand the scholarly articles they read. Seventh, some types of
assignments or projects we may consider critical to the sociology major
(e.g. a senior thesis) necessitate the reading of scholarly articles for
a literature review and a good project so we need to help them with
this. I could go on... but my point is that I believe students can and
should read, understand, and learn from exposure to scholarly articles
with appropriate learning objectives and scaffolding.

Kathleen 

At 10:46 AM 5/11/2006, Michael DeCesare wrote:

Hi everyone,
 
I think John raises some valid and interesting issues. Among other
things, he asked about the proportion of articles we can expect students
to understand. I'd like to add another, related question: Is it
important for students to even read the articles that appear in our
journals? 
 
It seems to me that there's a reasonable case to be made that much of
the work that's published in our journals--and not just the top-tier
ones--is not only incomprehensible to people who aren't thoroughly
trained in statistics, as John pointed out, but is also perceived to be
trivial and/or irrelevant to lots of sociologists. So why is it
important for our undergraduates to read the latest ASR, AJS, or Social
Forces articles--especially when not many of us even read them?
 
I ask because aside from using them to teach students the differences
between scholarly and non-scholarly work, it's increasingly difficult
for me to justify requiring students to read the latest and greatest
articles from our discipline's journals. 
 
Stirring the pot,
  Mike!

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Michael DeCesare
California State University, Northridge
Department of Sociology
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18111 Nordhoff Street
Northridge, CA 91330-8318
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: John Glass 
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 8:26 AM
Subject: TEACHSOC: List of Sociology Journals
just curious...has anyone ever asked students about whether or not they
understand journal articles? i think it is an unwarranted assumption
that directing students to journals is going to assist them in learning
material within our discipline. let's face it, how many of the articles
can we expect undergraduates to understand given the increasing
complexity of statistical analyses? how many do WE understand? and we
expect students to use current research to write term papers?
 
i have asked students to pick a journal article, read it, rate their
level of undertanding (likert scale of 1 - 5) and then discuss what they
DID understand and what they DIDN'T understand. it was an interesting
assignment...for me. has made me reconsider things like "research"
papers.
 
something to think about?
 
john
 
John E. Glass, Ph.D.
Professor of Sociology
Division of Social & Behavioral Sciences
Colin County Community College
Preston Ridge Campus
9700 Wade Boulevard
Frisco, TX 75035
+1-972-377-1622
http://iws.ccccd.edu/jglass/
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"We are more concerned about the discovery of knowledge than with its
dissemination"
B. F. Skinner

Kathleen McKinney
Cross Endowed Chair in the Scholarship of Teaching and Learning
Professor, Sociology
Carnegie Scholar
Box 6370
Illinois State University 
Normal, Il 61790-6370
off 309-438-7706
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