It's been a little while now but my first few jobs were supporting AutoCAD. Most of those employers were looking for people that already knew how to use the software and when interviewing they would give them a drawing to replicate in AutoCAD and time how long it took. If you weren't familiar with the software it would take a long time to figure out where the menu item was or what the command was to do what you needed to do. It could take me twice as long to draw something in AutoCAD 13 as it would in AutoCAD 2000 and newer because the commands were quite different between versions and I was more familiar with the later.
-----Original Message----- From: tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org [mailto:tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org] On Behalf Of Ben Story Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:58 AM To: Tech-Geeks Mailing List Subject: Re: [tech-geeks] CAD software LOL exactly! I had coworkers at my last employer that knew they needed to do a 1,3,5,3,2,1 in the menu system on the mainframe to do something. If we had changed the menu options they would have no clue because they didn't know what they were really doing. I was always tempted to change the menu options to something like: 1. Are 2. You 3. Really 4. Reading 5. This? On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:54 AM, JimHays <hay...@sages.us> wrote: > Ben > > You are preaching to the choir here. > <rant> > I was talking about this at Tech Feast in one of my sessions the other day. > We need to teach skills and teach students how to use those skills to solve > problems instead of teaching them keystrokes and menu items. After all, we > are called "TEACHERS" and not "TRAINERS". Industry has TRAINERS to train > their employees to perform the repetitive tasks that are required by > corporate mandates. Schools have TEACHERS to teach students haw to think > and solve problems for themselves. > Why, in the technology classroom, do we continue to TRAIN students for jobs > that may or may not exist when they are ready for them instead of TEACH them > how to think technologically so that they can adjust to the ever-changing > technological world in which we live? > </rant> > > OK. I feel better now........... > > > > > Ben Story wrote: >> >> As someone that was taught WordPerfect and has successfully survived >> the business world of Office I will say that it's better to teach the >> skills and the skills to adapt to change than to teach software. When >> I was in college I was upset that they weren't teaching the buzzword >> languages like Java and C++ (late 90s). Now I look back and realize >> that instead we were learning to program and I have been able to pick >> up multiple languages over the years because of it. The biggest part >> of the above is to teach the students to be flexible and how to adapt >> to change. Who knows, in 2 years Windows 8 might move the start >> button to the top right of the screen! >> >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:34 AM, McKay, Curtis <cmc...@bths201.org> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> This unfortunately has turned into something similar to, do we teacher >>> word >>> processing or Microsoft Word? There's a lot of keboards and special >>> commands taught in our CAD class specific to AUTOCad. I'm not saying >>> whether I agree with that or not, but something to keep in mind when >>> talking >>> about switching this kind of software. >>> >>> >>> >>> Curtis McKay >>> >>> Network Administrator >>> >>> Belleville Township High School District 201 >>> >>> cmc...@bths201.org >>> >>> >>> >>> From: tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org >>> [mailto:tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org] On Behalf Of Scott Siri >>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:27 AM >>> To: Tech-Geeks Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [tech-geeks] CAD software >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.cadstd.com/samples/index.html >>> >>> maybe it is better than I thought. >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Scott Siri <ss...@mendotahs.org> wrote: >>> >>> oh yeah...there is a free one called CADSTD lite, but again I know little >>> about CAD and expect that this has far too few features, but perhaps it >>> would be appropriate for what the kids really need or use. >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Scott Siri <ss...@mendotahs.org> wrote: >>> >>> I downloaded a free version of Alibre which is a mechanical design and >>> CAD >>> program. I don't know much about this stuff, but it was all several >>> years >>> ago when I had time to play with stuff like that. >>> >>> I just called them about educational pricing. $150 per seat for their >>> professional version. You would want to check up on whether it really >>> did >>> the same thing as CAD. >>> >>> The contact number the sales guy gave me was 214-389-9056. >>> >>> He did confirm that the new stuff runs on windows 7! >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Mike Oliveri >>> <mike.oliv...@student.rb60.com> wrote: >>> >>> Our vocational center recommended Pro/ENGINEER instead. It's much more >>> reasonably priced at $200ish a seat if I recall correctly. Never did find >>> a >>> good open alternative for our teacher. He looked at SketchUp, but it >>> doesn't >>> have all the measurements and such of CAD. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:50 AM, Steele, Thomas C wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>>> For those that offer drafting or CAD classes, what software are you >>>> using? >>>> >>>> We have been using AutoCAD LT but our version doesn't work with Win7 >>>> and the software is quite expensive considering the number of students >>>> that use it. I would be very interested in an open source solution. >>>> I have found several free or open source options but not being very >>>> well versed in CAD I would like some first hand feedback. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> -ts >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPod >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Tech-geeks mailing list >>>> Tech-geeks@tech-geeks.org >>>> http://lists.illinicloud.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tech-geeks >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tech-geeks mailing list >>> Tech-geeks@tech-geeks.org >>> http://lists.illinicloud.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tech-geeks >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *** This Email was sent by an educator at Mendota IL. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tech-geeks mailing list >>> Tech-geeks@tech-geeks.org >>> http://lists.illinicloud.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tech-geeks >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Tech-geeks mailing list > Tech-geeks@tech-geeks.org > http://lists.illinicloud.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tech-geeks > -- -- Ben Story CCSP, CCNA, CCNA Wireless, CCDA ben.st...@gmail.com "You cannot escape the responsibility of tomorrow by evading it today. -- Abraham Lincoln _______________________________________________ Tech-geeks mailing list Tech-geeks@tech-geeks.org http://lists.illinicloud.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tech-geeks NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY The information in this email, including attachments, may be confidential and/or privileged. 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