Tom, We pay right around $1000 per school for AutoCAD licenses. This is effectively a site license for each school. We can install it on every machine if we want to, but generally stick to installing only in the dedicated CAD Lab and the library (to facilitate access for the same students who wish to get ahead on their class projects).
Am trying to remember what the program is called. I think it's called the AutoDesk Design Academy program. David P. Kenny Network Administrator Belvidere CUSD #100 Ph: 815-547-4742 -----Original Message----- From: tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org [mailto:tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org] On Behalf Of Steele, Thomas C Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:47 PM To: Tech-Geeks Mailing List Subject: Re: [tech-geeks] CAD software Most employers who use AutoCAD are not going to be hiring students right out of HS as their AutoCAD operators. This argument makes much more sense at the college level and I can understand colleges and engineering schools insisting on AutoCAD since it is the industry leader. As Andy pointed out, the software changes - sometimes significantly - over time so the likelihood of a HS student being able to use the AutoCAD-specific knowledge he/she picked up in HS by the time they actually land a job in the industry is slim. -TS Thomas C. Steele Technology Director Manteno CUSD #5 -----Original Message----- From: tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org [mailto:tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org] On Behalf Of Andy Cottrell Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:22 PM To: Tech-Geeks Mailing List Subject: Re: [tech-geeks] CAD software It's been a little while now but my first few jobs were supporting AutoCAD. Most of those employers were looking for people that already knew how to use the software and when interviewing they would give them a drawing to replicate in AutoCAD and time how long it took. If you weren't familiar with the software it would take a long time to figure out where the menu item was or what the command was to do what you needed to do. It could take me twice as long to draw something in AutoCAD 13 as it would in AutoCAD 2000 and newer because the commands were quite different between versions and I was more familiar with the later. -----Original Message----- From: tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org [mailto:tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org] On Behalf Of Ben Story Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:58 AM To: Tech-Geeks Mailing List Subject: Re: [tech-geeks] CAD software LOL exactly! I had coworkers at my last employer that knew they needed to do a 1,3,5,3,2,1 in the menu system on the mainframe to do something. If we had changed the menu options they would have no clue because they didn't know what they were really doing. I was always tempted to change the menu options to something like: 1. Are 2. You 3. Really 4. Reading 5. This? On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:54 AM, JimHays <hay...@sages.us> wrote: > Ben > > You are preaching to the choir here. > <rant> > I was talking about this at Tech Feast in one of my sessions the other > day. > We need to teach skills and teach students how to use those skills to solve > problems instead of teaching them keystrokes and menu items. After all, we > are called "TEACHERS" and not "TRAINERS". Industry has TRAINERS to train > their employees to perform the repetitive tasks that are required by > corporate mandates. Schools have TEACHERS to teach students haw to think > and solve problems for themselves. > Why, in the technology classroom, do we continue to TRAIN students for jobs > that may or may not exist when they are ready for them instead of TEACH them > how to think technologically so that they can adjust to the ever-changing > technological world in which we live? > </rant> > > OK. I feel better now........... > > > > > Ben Story wrote: >> >> As someone that was taught WordPerfect and has successfully survived >> the business world of Office I will say that it's better to teach the >> skills and the skills to adapt to change than to teach software. >> When I was in college I was upset that they weren't teaching the >> buzzword languages like Java and C++ (late 90s). Now I look back and >> realize that instead we were learning to program and I have been able >> to pick up multiple languages over the years because of it. The >> biggest part of the above is to teach the students to be flexible and >> how to adapt to change. Who knows, in 2 years Windows 8 might move >> the start button to the top right of the screen! >> >> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:34 AM, McKay, Curtis <cmc...@bths201.org> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> This unfortunately has turned into something similar to, do we >>> teacher word processing or Microsoft Word? There's a lot of >>> keboards and special commands taught in our CAD class specific to >>> AUTOCad. I'm not saying whether I agree with that or not, but >>> something to keep in mind when talking >>> about switching this kind of software. >>> >>> >>> >>> Curtis McKay >>> >>> Network Administrator >>> >>> Belleville Township High School District 201 >>> >>> cmc...@bths201.org >>> >>> >>> >>> From: tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org >>> [mailto:tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org] On Behalf Of Scott Siri >>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 11:27 AM >>> To: Tech-Geeks Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [tech-geeks] CAD software >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.cadstd.com/samples/index.html >>> >>> maybe it is better than I thought. >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Scott Siri <ss...@mendotahs.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>> oh yeah...there is a free one called CADSTD lite, but again I know >>> little about CAD and expect that this has far too few features, but >>> perhaps it would be appropriate for what the kids really need or >>> use. >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Scott Siri <ss...@mendotahs.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I downloaded a free version of Alibre which is a mechanical design >>> and CAD program. I don't know much about this stuff, but it was all >>> several years >>> ago when I had time to play with stuff like that. >>> >>> I just called them about educational pricing. $150 per seat for >>> their professional version. You would want to check up on whether >>> it really did the same thing as CAD. >>> >>> The contact number the sales guy gave me was 214-389-9056. >>> >>> He did confirm that the new stuff runs on windows 7! >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Mike Oliveri >>> <mike.oliv...@student.rb60.com> wrote: >>> >>> Our vocational center recommended Pro/ENGINEER instead. It's much >>> more reasonably priced at $200ish a seat if I recall correctly. >>> Never did find a good open alternative for our teacher. He looked at >>> SketchUp, but it doesn't >>> have all the measurements and such of CAD. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:50 AM, Steele, Thomas C wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>>> For those that offer drafting or CAD classes, what software are you >>>> using? >>>> >>>> We have been using AutoCAD LT but our version doesn't work with >>>> Win7 and the software is quite expensive considering the number of >>>> students that use it. I would be very interested in an open source >>>> solution. I have found several free or open source options but not >>>> being very well versed in CAD I would like some first hand >>>> feedback. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> -ts >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPod _______________________________________________ >>>> Tech-geeks mailing list >>>> Tech-geeks@tech-geeks.org >>>> http://lists.illinicloud.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tech-geeks >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tech-geeks mailing list >>> Tech-geeks@tech-geeks.org >>> http://lists.illinicloud.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tech-geeks >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *** This Email was sent by an educator at Mendota IL. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tech-geeks mailing list >>> Tech-geeks@tech-geeks.org >>> http://lists.illinicloud.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tech-geeks >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Tech-geeks mailing list > Tech-geeks@tech-geeks.org > http://lists.illinicloud.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tech-geeks > -- -- Ben Story CCSP, CCNA, CCNA Wireless, CCDA ben.st...@gmail.com "You cannot escape the responsibility of tomorrow by evading it today. -- Abraham Lincoln _______________________________________________ Tech-geeks mailing list Tech-geeks@tech-geeks.org http://lists.illinicloud.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tech-geeks NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY The information in this email, including attachments, may be confidential and/or privileged. 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