I put OT and started with a disclaimer.........

Williams, Scott wrote:
<OT> <rant>

Jim touches the "third rail" of tech-geekdom, bad Jim.

</rant> </OT>


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From: tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org [tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org] On 
Behalf Of JimHays [hay...@sages.us]
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 9:21 AM
To: Tech-Geeks Mailing List
Subject: [tech-geeks] OT - was - SIS FTE Question

Disclaimer - this is a political rant of someone who leans a little left
of center.  Continue reading at your own peril.

<soapbox>

Let's all understand why we have SIS in the first place.  It can all be
traced back to NCLB and a group of people whose main purpose in life is
to discredit public education so we can shift public dollars to private
schools.  This is mostly an issue for large cities and does not have a
direct affect on most on this list but it sure as heck has caused a lot
of extra work for us.

Just another of a long list of things that can be classified as "good
politics" but "bad public policy".

Oh how I yearn for the day when someone can come to power in our county
who will place "good public policy" ahead of "good politics".

But, alas, if that person would run for office with the current state of
affairs of the two political parties he would have absolutely no chance
of winning.

The Republican and Democratic Parties in our country act more like
street gangs than they do political parties - especially in Illinois.
With the "you got one of ours so we must get one of yours" mentality, it
reminds of the stories of the 30's in Chicago.  If you are a member of
one of those parties - and I am a member of neither and I refuse to vote
in primaries because I will not declare in public which ballot I want -
then you MUST HATE ALL MEMBERS OF THE OTHER PARTY.  At least that is
what we are told if we listen to Lush Bimbo or Keith Omygod.

Unfortunately with the EIB Network, MSNBC, and the like - yes, both ends
of the spectrum can scream and yell, the "center" has no voice.  In
order to be heard in our country you either have to threaten to build a
mosque near ground zero or burn Korans in a public place.  But the
person who believes that a mosque near ground zero is a bad idea and
that burning Korans is an awful idea has no voice in our society.

Bottom line is this.  Both "sides" suck.

Oh yea, so does SIS.

</soapbox>



Daniel Zobel wrote:
This is what we were told to do with Skyward so that these students
would show up properly with the coding structure.  We actually created
a second Out of District Entity which they were enrolled in as part
time.  In the regular school their FTE was .5 and the Out of School,
which listed the school/tech center, but still showed we were the
serving school for the other .5.  So all in all they were 1.0 FTE for
out school district, but we could show the documentation that the
students were somewhere else for have the day.

Took me a bit to understand it, but it makes sense to me now.  The
other school/tech center is like an extension of your school, another
department off campus, if you think of it that way.

Where as Alt. Ed is where they are being served for everything and
they are listed as 1.0 FTE.

Dan

Daniel Zobel
Director of Technology
Heyworth CUSD#4
309-473-2250 - Direct #
309-473-2822 - Grade School

JimHays <hay...@sages.us> 9/10/2010 8:27 AM >>>
There are two different reasons to report this information to the
state.  One is for attendance and one is for testing.  As far as I know,
SIS is for testing.

So, if the student is tested at your school and your school is the home
school, the student's FTE should be 1.0 and your are the home school and
the testing school.

If the student is tested (and served) elsewhere but you are the home
school, the FTE is 1.0 and set the home and testing schools accordingly.

For attendance, if your receive the state aid for the student and then
pay tuition for the student to be served elsewhere, this is YOUR student
and you report the attendance to the state (and then get the state aid.)

But if you call and ask you may get different answers depending on who
you talk to.  That is the major issue.

All you can do is to follow your principals direction.  He is the one
who is paid to know these things, not the tech coordinator.



Steele, Thomas C wrote:
To my knowledge we have always considered career center students as
our full-time student and listed the career center courses in our
catalog as your new principal has said.  I can't say with 100%
certainty that is correct, but it has worked for us.  This whole thing
is a confusing mess - with career centers, alternative education
centers, out-placed services, etc. - hard to tell what to put when!
-TS

-----Original Message-----
From: tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org
[mailto:tech-geeks-boun...@tech-geeks.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Niehaus
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 8:07 AM
To: tech-geeks@tech-geeks.org
Subject: [tech-geeks] SIS FTE Question

Geeks,

We have some students that spend half of their day at an area
vocational
center taking classes there.  The classes are taught by vocational
teachers
at their building at another site and our students are bussed to
that site,
they attend classes 1/2 a day and then bussed back and they attend
classes
here the other 1/2 of the day.  These classes do show up on our course
catalog, but it is a generic listing (vocational technology) and not
as the
specific course they are taking like Auto Body Repair or Nursing.
In the
past I would mark these kids as FTE .5 for our school under serving
school
and the vocational center as .5 FTE for serving.  I have a new
principal
that is telling me that they should be 1.0 serving here since it is
"our
class" that is being taught at their building??  I was pretty sure
he was
wrong, but when I go back and look at a few students that I knew were
vocational last year I only find a .5 FTE listing for our school and
nothing
for the vocational school in their records - making it look like the
kid was
1/2 time here only.

Anyone know the correct way to code these kids?

Thanks in advance.

Charlie Niehaus
Altamont Unit #10 Community Unit Schools
7 S. Ewing Street
Altamont, IL 62411
Voice: 618-483-6193 ext. 238
Fax: 618-483-5399
Web: www.altamont.k12.il.us

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