--- Timm Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The developers have taken great pains to keep
> Freenet compatible with the
> Java 1.1 API in order to maintain comatability with
> Kaffe (except in the few
> cases where Kaffe does offer Java 2 classes).
Regardless, I am not very optimistic about seeing
Kaffe get up to speed anytime soon.. Certainly not
for sparc/netbsd.. and I don't see anyone else
putting out a JVM for that platform anytime soon.
> > I have a hard time seeing how something like
> > the freenet project can say with a straight face
> that
> > it's done in java so that it's cross platform.
> Read Ian's orginal paper on the Freenet web site.
> Java was mostly used
> because it makes development easier, not because of
> being cross platform.
> After all, this is a Free Software project. In Free
> Software, there is no
> real gain in having the binaries being cross
> platform, since the source can
> always be recompiled for a new platform.
>
Well heck, why not write it in visual basic? I hear
that's really easy. Considering that all but one of
the JVMs are covered by proprietary licenses anyway.
> > java is horrible and I hate it very much. I'm not
> a developer.
>
> You may not like it as a user, but as a developer,
> Java is a dream to use
> compared to C++ (just don't get Travis up on the
> benfits of Ocmal, or we'll
> never hear the end of it). Keep in mind that
> Freenet is still highly under
> development, so we want to make things easier on the
> developers NOW and worry
> about being easier on users LATER.
Although I've heard the opposite from plenty of
developers, I can see a point in this much. I don't
expect to persuade anyone to do a rewrite in C anytime
soon. I just hope that maybe some people out there
are at least thinking about it. I'd love to run a node
but as long as it's written in java I probably won't
want to bother with it.
> Again, we don't care about cross platform. In any
> case, most of Java's
> problems in being cross platform are due to either
> because of bugs in the VM
> or bad coding practices on the part of the
> developers (which would apply
> equaly to C anyway). For instance:
>
> File f = new File("/etc/services");
Java's problems being cross platform for something
like
netbsd/sparc have nothing to do with bad coding
practices. More like the people who support java will
not have any interest anytime soon in producing a
working jvm for that platform.
Matt
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