On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 09:17:03PM +0300, Jusa Saari wrote:
> On Tue, 09 May 2006 00:13:49 +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, May 08, 2006 at 07:00:19PM -0400, Ed Tomlinson wrote:
> >> On Monday 08 May 2006 17:38, Caco Patane wrote:
> >> > > Why won't you simply use Frost ? Just make a channel to serve as
> >> > > your
> >> > 
> >> > Because Frost is a message board and Freemail an e-mail
> >> > implementation?
> >> 
> >> Actually he has a point.  Yes Frost is a message board, but that does
> >> not mean the methods and protocals it uses are not usefull for freemail.
> >>  The original suggestion here was use a private channel for a users
> >> inbox.  This probably could be done using a subset of the frost code
> >> without any sort of gui - just a smtp and pop server.  Image you start
> >> Freemail. It generates an address for you to tell friends about and
> >> tells your to save a private key.  You configure your email client to
> >> talk to local host and the freemail address.  The private key becomes
> >> your pop and smtp password.
> > 
> > Freemail can have some level of co-operation with Frost but fundamentally
> > Frost and e-mail work differently.
> 
> Perhaps you should explain what the fundamental difference is on the
> Freenet ?

They treat messages differently. Frost doesn't have email's headers,
particularly the References field.

> The only way to deliver messages is to insert them under a
> guessable key and let the recipient to request them; there is no way to
> make these keys non-publically-readable, so if you want privacy, you'll
> need to crypt the messages (as Frost can do optionally).

True.
> 
> "Freemail" will simply re-implement what Frost does. It is not going to be
> fundamentally different, since Freenet does not currently or in the
> foreseeable future support any other communication methods.

False. It's 1:1. Frost is many:many with 1:1 bolted on. Also freemail is
fully compatible with real email, so we can link in the mailing list and
so on.
> 
> It just doesn't make any sense to replace a working communication tool
> with another one, when the only possible difference is a different GUI and
> reduced feature set. The Freenet project already has a chronic shortage of
> resources, it can't afford to waste them like that.

Not true IMHO. Frost is not directly compatible with email. The rest of
the world uses email; you get huge networking effects by supporting
email headers and so on. Further, Frost's 1:1 messaging is primitive and
not optimized.
-- 
Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org
Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/
ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so.
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