I've done a hot _add_ to a loop without downtime.  A shelf _swap_ is not as 
easy and unless you were REALLY fast on your fingers would require downtime.

-rd

On Jun 15, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Adam Levin wrote:

>
> On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Ryan Dorman wrote:
>> Guilty as charged.
>>
>> You're right, swapping trays is no fun... and it a part that doesn't
>> just work.  I suppose my comment should have been "once its up and
>> running, i generally dont have to mess with it"
>>
>> Certainly not taken to be argumentative.. i'd hate to get a nasty email
>> from someone who bought a NetApp and then cursed that idiot from
>> Lopsa-tech who said it was perfect :)
>
> Oh, come on, this is the *Internet* -- nobody curses people out on here!
> :)
>
> Seriously, there are a lot of things about NetApp that "just work", and I
> think in general there's a longer list of "just works" for them than for
> many other vendors.
>
> I think there are ways that shelves could be upgraded non-disruptively,
> but it's certainly not as easy as plugging new ones in and unplugging old
> ones.
>
> However, I'm not sure there are a lot of cases for doing that.  The shelf
> shouldn't "run out of warranty" before the system -- it's sold as a whole
> unit, and unless you're changing the connectivity in the ESH modules (for
> example), the *shelf* wouldn't need to be changed out anyway.  I don't
> think NetApp has approved hot-adding shelves to a loop yet, which is a
> shame.  It does work, but last I saw (a couple of years ago) it was
> unsupported.
>
> -Adam
>


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