on 3/15/09 5:06 PM, Doug Hughes said: > If I want to discuss the mathematics of NTP protocol with details of > proper picking of an NTP peer with variable dispersion over an x% > jittery link, I'll go to the NTP mail list. However, if I want to > discuss deployment of NTP to a server farm with <y> policy limitations > or <x> configuration management implications, with all due respect, I'll > trust the people here.
If you actually paid any attention at all to our mailing lists, you would know that pretty much all the discussion on the main [email protected] mailing list is operational in nature, and there are a number of very talented system administrators who are more than happy to provide the benefits of their decades of experience in this field. Of the many, many people in that community, with combined years of systems administration and NTP operational experience measured in terms of centuries, the overlap with the LOPSA/SAGE/USENIX community is right about 1.0 -- me. This is what makes the mailing lists hosted by LOPSA, SAGE, or USENIX a particularly bad place to discuss these kinds of administrative or operational issues, because one guy can't do it all no matter how talented he is, and I know that I am very far from the most talented person in this field. You would also know that all of the protocol and math wonks tend to inhabit the [email protected] and the [email protected] mailing lists, where the latter is the mailing list for the IETF NTP Working Group, where we are developing the official protocol standard for NTPv4. There doesn't tend to be all that much cross-over between the questions@ list and the other two. But you seem to prefer to remain ignorant of all of our mailing lists, and the inherent gradations we have for the various types of discussions and where they should occur. Instead you seem happiest when painting me as the villain who is trying to steal your traffic on the subject, regardless of how misinformed and incorrect it may be. > protocol and math wonks vs systems wonks. There's plenty of grey in between. I would not be recommending a resource that I did not feel would be appropriate for the people who are asking the questions, and the nature of the questions they're asking. I fully understand the difference between operational and theoretical discussions, and I've been directing people to the appropriate lists on the appropriate subjects for over five years. I'm not about to stop doing that any time soon. -- Brad Knowles <[email protected]> If you like Jazz/R&B guitar, check out LinkedIn Profile: my friend bigsbytracks on YouTube at <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu> http://preview.tinyurl.com/bigsbytracks _______________________________________________ Tech mailing list [email protected] http://lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tech This list provided by the League of Professional System Administrators http://lopsa.org/
