May I second Stefan's comments. As the President of our company, one of the most important decisions I made was to always look at any technology for it's contribution to our companies strategic vision. If other companies used it, or if it was popular at trade shows, etc, all that made no difference to me. All of our technology choices needed to materially contribute to us as a small distribution company having a serious competitive advantage in our market. We competed with large companies like Whirlpool in some markets. We had to have competitive advantage and technology had to provide that. Smaller dollars for large impact.
I am the first to admit that we often hacked stuff together to get something to work quickly and get ahead of our competition. Nearly everyone on this list then and now are more professional and polished. Everyone. But that was the point for me. I didn't have to spend a ton of money to get something to work and prove the design in R&D AND in deployed products. (By the way, which we found that often deployed products are really just advanced R&D anyway). We were also more able to assume as a company total responsibility for the entire development cycle because the software was so much easier to use and I can't emphasize that enough. But as Stefan said, maybe it reaches a point where you just can't make this work. We never came close to that. Mark Weiss Currently a PhD Student Utah State University On May 8, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Stefan Gonick <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Steve, > > I'll put in my 2 cents... > > Doug makes some good points, but I believe that there are other criteria as > well. > Otherwise, I would have changed to another language myself! > > Terascribe is truly a fast prototyping tool and programming language. I find > that I > can program twice as fast in Terascribe as in languages like PHP and ASP.NET, > which are the biggest languages out there. > > I am NOT willing to have a drearier programming experience that takes twice as > long, so I stick with Terascribe. My clients also benefit from the dollars > saved in > my programming time. > > There are some very large high performance projects that may not be suitable > for > Terascribe, but anything small to medium large can be handled well. I think > that > I remember Robert saying that Terascript should be able to handle a million > page > views (executions) per day. [Robert, care to update this number?] > > Yes, there are fewer Terascribe programmers around, but they do exist. There > are good > ones on this list. And it is fine to post work projects on this list. People > have done so in the past. > > So, it really depends on what your needs are. If you are in a situation where > it's really > important to have a large pool of programmers to pick from, then use a > mainstream language. > > If you are a smaller shop and want to be very competitive based on > dramatically reducing > programming time, then Terascribe may be a great way to go. It is for me. > > Stefan > Stefan Gonick, MS Computer Science > Database WebWorks: Dynamic web sites through database integration > http://www.DatabaseWebWorks.com > > > At 10:52 AM 5/8/2014, you wrote: >> Thatâs good if it works for you >> For my two cents to the group on >> Steveâs orriginal question: >> >> When there is a choice (PHP, .NET, Java, WiTango, etc) It is a good practice >> to align programming languages and technical architecture to community >> support and employee candidate pool. There are several ways to measure >> this: many hiring firms use the Tibobe index >> >> http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html >> >> to see how widely used languages are. Another resource is Indeed.com where >> you can enter keywords and trends: http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends >> >> Analyzing how much activity exists on Stack Overflow is another good measure >> http://stackoverflow.com/tags >> >> People might say that programming is programming and all good developers >> should be polyglot developers that can adapt to technology. >> While this is true, it doesnât mean an organization shouldnât ignore the >> community and use of a technology. As a Java developer, there are many >> times where myself or someone on my team evaluates open source frameworks >> within the Java community to solve a particular problem. >> The questions that are fair to ask (and are often asked) are: >> Is it still supported and active? >> How large is the community support? >> How widely used is this technology? >> >> There arenât very many people using WiTango around the world according to >> any relevant metric out there. The pool of WiTango candidates in the >> Cincinnati area is almost certain to be small or non-existent. >> >> A friend of mine mentioned that the Clojure community felt that they >> achieved a milestone when there was enough support of prominent open source >> committers and contributors that if the founder Rich Hickey left they would >> still have a healthy and active development community. WiTango is not open >> source so as a platform it is only supported by Tronics Software. Tronics >> is very small and only has two people (Emily and Robert) if Iâm not >> mistaken. It is harsh to say this as I donât want to disparage anyoneâs >> âbabyâ. However these are the exact same pieces of information I would >> give any executive with regards to the question of WiTango adoption. >> >> Doug >> >> >> From: John Sloatman [ mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 5:56 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: TeraScript-Talk: TeraScript Community Questions >> >> Not looking for endorsements. Got all I need. But I do have some awesome >> projects I'll need help on >> >> See I use Witango to do rapid development working demos. Then I finish in >> .NET The product has made me a ton of money over the years >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 7, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Doug Holubek < [email protected]> >> wrote: >> Thatâs bleeding edge >> hopefully you get lots of endorsements on >> LinkedIn for tthat. >> >> Doug >> >> From: John Sloatman [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 11:52 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: TeraScript-Talk: TeraScript Community Questions >> >> FYI I'm still using 2.0 :) Almost 20 years >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> John K Sloatman III >> Emerging Technologies, LLC >> VoIP Consultant >> ________________________________ >> 1(213) 769-0007 Los Angeles >> 1(808) 426-5505 Honolulu >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> >> NOTICE: This e-mail message and any files transmitted with it is intended >> only for the personal and confidential use of the individual(s) named as >> recipients and is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 >> U.S.C. sections 2510-2521. 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Are there any >> other resources for support or training? >> >> Robert, can you, or have you already, provide some details as to what "fully >> modernize the platform" consists of? >> >> Thanks everyone for reading. We appreciate it. >> >> Steve Kevill >> >> On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Robert Shubert <[email protected]> wrote: >> Please do. >> >> Also, send an email to [email protected] if you have any specific >> questions about the product. >> >> We are currently developing the next major release which will fully >> modernize the platform and make it very competitive. >> >> Robert >> >> From: Steve Kevill [ mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 10:10 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: TeraScript-Talk: TeraScript Community Questions >> >> Hello all, >> >> I hope this question, in and of itself, is appropriate to be asked here. If >> not, I apologize. >> >> We are currently in the process of investigating web development platforms. >> We currently run WiTango 5.5 and are evaluating upgrading to TerScript, >> using php, or .net and others. Would this forum be the appropriate place to >> ask questions about the TeraScript developer community and user base? >> >> Thank you for your time, >> Steve Kevill >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with "unsubscribe terascript-talk" in the body. >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with "unsubscribe terascript-talk" in the body. >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with "unsubscribe terascript-talk" in the body. >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with "unsubscribe terascript-talk" in the body. >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with "unsubscribe terascript-talk" in the body. >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with "unsubscribe terascript-talk" in the body. >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with "unsubscribe terascript-talk" in the body. > ===================================================== > Stefan Gonick, MS Computer Science > Database WebWorks: Dynamic web sites through database integration > http://www.DatabaseWebWorks.com > > > To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to > [email protected] with "unsubscribe terascript-talk" in the body. ---------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this list, please send an email to [email protected] with "unsubscribe terascript-talk" in the body.
