----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Scholl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:59 PM Subject: Re: HIPAA Compliance Tests
> Excuse me, Marsha! > I just went in selfdoubt to the Claredi website--> Free stuff > There were 50 837's under WEDI SNIP defined testfiles. They all have an > error condition listed. Broken 837's in my lingo > Under business scenarios where another 30 or so testfiles. Maybe I am struck > with blindness, but there are no 4,700 scenarios. There are another 100 +- > transaction pending but no data available. > Let me get on my soapbox too. > I don't want to belittle anybody's effort or hurt their feelings for all the > volunteer work that they are doing. I am a member of MAHI, the Mid-Atlantic > Hipaa Initiative, the local WEDI-SNIP initiative. I know about volunteer > efforts. > But let's be for real here. In 1 1/2 years we want to move 14 % of GDP, > Gross domestic product of the US of A, from various file formats and paper > to EDI. 9 Protocols for sure, more in the making. This is EDI, the most > non-intuitive data format on earth. The average implementation for Wal-Mart > business partners takes 9 months before things work smoothly. The > healthcare industry as a whole is supposed to make it in 18 months now. > There are only very few testfiles out. Only of one transaction set. The > routing group does not know at this point which information goes into the > ISA header, to make sure routing will work. There is no national repository > for routing information. Is it Dial-up, ftp, VAN or what? Encryption with > VAN, not with Dail-up. What encryption, PGP?? The transaction group is now > talking ebXML and CPP's while 9 out of 10 hospitals haven't even evaluated > how they will handle HIPAA. Most providers have no idea about HIPAA. They > trust their vendors. Some vendors have no clue, groping for knowledge in > the same conferences that I go to, participating in the same email groups > that I am in. HIPAA certification is a vague concept. Claredi is praying to > be the chosen one. > Other vendors see this as a prime opportunity to perpetuate their revenue > stream by spreading FUDD, fear, uncertainty and disinformation, to get their > customers hooked on a proprietary solution with a per transaction fee. > HIPAA transaction sets, aka administrative simplification, are hard work. > They take time to understand, more time to implement and even more to test. > Just having 50 broken 837's and 30 good ones is not going to make this > transition work. > It might very well be that there are forces in the government who have no > interest in the success of HIPAA transaction sets. Who wish they would go > the way of the metrification. You remember: In the 1970's this country by > act of Congress went from the imperial system to the metric system. The > last time I checked, the US and Burma alone in this world still measure > distances in feet, weight in ounces, temperature in Fahrenheit. Don't be > assured that a similar fate is not in store for the Clinton Healthcare > reform. We all might be working our behinds off to get things ready, while > Congress decides to grant one delay after the other until the issue goes > away. > I am not shy to do the heavy lifting, read the IG's , write parsers, test, > tie in business rules and so on. But for an effort of this magnitude, I > believe the equipment supplied so far, in the form of a few testfiles of one > out of 9 protocols make this a leap of faith. > So, now I feel I can climb down from my soap box. > Feel free to join in this discussion but please, lets not get into personal > attacks. We are all working hard. > > Martin Scholl > Scholl Consulting Group, Inc. > 301-924-5537 Tel > 301-570-0139 Fax > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.SchollConsulting.com > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Martin Scholl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Craig Frey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:45 PM > Subject: Re: HIPAA Compliance Tests > > > > > > Martin, > > I take exception to your response to Craig's question. Normally I would > > not bother answering you but when you insult the efforts of a small group > > of volunteers in SNIP and Claredi who have put in hundreds of volunteer > > hours developing test scenarios and actual test files for the public's use > > ... at NO charge ... you bring out a fierce reaction. > > > > WEDI SNIP's Transaction Testing subwork group has created, and Claredi has > > been kind enough to voluntarily develop, test files for both Business and > > Technical tests using the X12N 837 Implementation Guides. > > > > There are over 4,700 Technical scenarios available at claredi.com under > the > > 'tab' FREE STUFF. So I guess that would equate to a "few" to some people, > > who did not volunteer their time to work on the project. > > > > The Technical tests are syntactical tests looking to ensure 5 conditions > > are handled: > > length too short > > length too long > > invalid entry > > missing entry and finally a > > correct entry > > These tests are for fields and segments within the three 837 types. > > > > The Business Cases are circumstances specific as they relate to the use of > > the Implementation Guide.... what is required to create an Ambulance 837 > as > > opposed to a Med/Surg 837 or a Home Infusion service. > > > > "Broken 837s" ?! This term implies these tests do not perform the actions > > for which they were designed. Based on that definition I beg to differ. > > > > As far as having to 'resort to using the samples in the Implementation > > Guide' .... that's what the X12 authors wrote them for, the public to use > > the samples! What a poor choice of words. > > > > And finally NONE ... I repeat NONE of the WEDI SNIP test scenarios require > > you to be a Claredi Customer! In fact you will soon be able to access > this > > information using a link from the SNIP website. > > > > The problem is all of the work is strictly on a volunteer basis and each > > one of us in SNIP ... including the dedicated people with Claredi... have > > full-time jobs already so there are more scenarios which need to be > written > > by the Testing SWG and created by Claredi. There are over 600 people on > > the Testing ListServ but there are only a dozen some volunteers who do the > > work. > > > > Perhaps Martin if you are so anxious for more test scenarios you are > > volunteering to help us! The Testing Group has a call every other week at > > 8AM Mountain and Pacific / 11 AM Eastern at 703-736-7290 call code > > 1315339. The next scheduled call happens to be this Thurs 4/25. > > > > > > Marsha Solomon > > Verizon Information Technologies Inc. > > Managed Care Division > > Phoenix, AZ > > Phone - 602.678.6042 > > Fax - 602.678.6331 > > E-mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is > > for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential > > and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please > > contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original > > message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Martin Scholl > > <mscholl@martinsc To: Craig Frey > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > holl.com> cc: > > Subject: Re: HIPAA > Compliance Tests > > 04/22/02 06:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That seems to be the problem right now. Claredi just has a few broken > > 837's. I heard that WEDI is supposed to publish more but I havn't seen a > > thing yet. > > I resorted to using the samples in the Implementation guides. > > I heard Claredi has a lot more if you sign up with them. > > > > Martin Scholl > > Scholl Consulting Group, Inc. > > 301-924-5537 Tel > > 301-570-0139 Fax > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > www.SchollConsulting.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Craig Frey > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 5:47 PM > > Subject: HIPAA Compliance Tests > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > I have seen references to your group developing tests for HIPAA > compliance > > in my search of the internet, and have found a set of tests you published > > for one transaction. I was wondering what was happening with tests for > the > > other transactions? Are there plans for publishing any more test suites? > > If not, do you know of any source of valid and/or invalid data sets to > > build my own test suites from? > > > > Thanks for your time, > > > > > > > > > > > > Craig Frey > > Quality Assurance Engineer > > QA/Monrovia > > ph: (626)471-6260 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > To be removed from this list, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Please note that it may take up to 72 hours to process your request. > > > > ********************************************************************** > > To be removed from this list, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Please note that it may take up to 72 hours to process your request. > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** To be removed from this list, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that it may take up to 72 hours to process your request.
