Do we know when some of the other 837 scenarios will be available. I did 141 scenarios for institutional and forwarded to Karen W. in May of 2001 and another individual at my company provided scenarios for dental at that time. Are there still some pages for those IGs that need scenarios?
_____ Martin A. Morrison Project Management Consultant HIPAA Implementation/Coordination Blue Shield of California 4203 Town Center Bl., Ste. D1 El Dorado Hills, Ca 95762 Ph: (916) 350-8808 Fx: (916) 350-8623 This electronic message is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential and protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are cautioned that use of its contents in any way is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone and return the original message by e-mail to the sender or to [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> . We will reimburse you for any cost you incur in notifying us of the errant e-mail.� Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Claytor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 7:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: HIPAA Compliance Tests Martin: She was referring to the test files under "WEDI Technical Scenarios" (Free Stuff=>WEDI Technical Scenarios). The big issue is that they are limited to the 837P only at this time. Hopefully, the other transactions will be available soon. The following excerpt was taken from that page: WEDI Technical Scenarios The following test files have been defined by the WEDI SNIP Testing and Certification Sub Work-Group. These test cases are only for the 837 Professional Implementation Guide 4010X098. There is a total of 4,739 cases as of 9/5/01. (An older archive of tests on the 2010A can be found here.) Richard -----Original Message----- From: Martin Scholl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 7:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: HIPAA Compliance Tests ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Scholl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:59 PM Subject: Re: HIPAA Compliance Tests > Excuse me, Marsha! > I just went in selfdoubt to the Claredi website--> Free stuff > There were 50 837's under WEDI SNIP defined testfiles. They all have an > error condition listed. Broken 837's in my lingo > Under business scenarios where another 30 or so testfiles. Maybe I am struck > with blindness, but there are no 4,700 scenarios. There are another 100 +- > transaction pending but no data available. > Let me get on my soapbox too. > I don't want to belittle anybody's effort or hurt their feelings for all the > volunteer work that they are doing. I am a member of MAHI, the Mid-Atlantic > Hipaa Initiative, the local WEDI-SNIP initiative. I know about volunteer > efforts. > But let's be for real here. In 1 1/2 years we want to move 14 % of GDP, > Gross domestic product of the US of A, from various file formats and paper > to EDI. 9 Protocols for sure, more in the making. This is EDI, the most > non-intuitive data format on earth. The average implementation for Wal-Mart > business partners takes 9 months before things work smoothly. The > healthcare industry as a whole is supposed to make it in 18 months now. > There are only very few testfiles out. Only of one transaction set. The > routing group does not know at this point which information goes into the > ISA header, to make sure routing will work. There is no national repository > for routing information. Is it Dial-up, ftp, VAN or what? Encryption with > VAN, not with Dail-up. What encryption, PGP?? The transaction group is now > talking ebXML and CPP's while 9 out of 10 hospitals haven't even evaluated > how they will handle HIPAA. Most providers have no idea about HIPAA. They > trust their vendors. Some vendors have no clue, groping for knowledge in > the same conferences that I go to, participating in the same email groups > that I am in. HIPAA certification is a vague concept. Claredi is praying to > be the chosen one. > Other vendors see this as a prime opportunity to perpetuate their revenue > stream by spreading FUDD, fear, uncertainty and disinformation, to get their > customers hooked on a proprietary solution with a per transaction fee. > HIPAA transaction sets, aka administrative simplification, are hard work. > They take time to understand, more time to implement and even more to test. > Just having 50 broken 837's and 30 good ones is not going to make this > transition work. > It might very well be that there are forces in the government who have no > interest in the success of HIPAA transaction sets. Who wish they would go > the way of the metrification. You remember: In the 1970's this country by > act of Congress went from the imperial system to the metric system. The > last time I checked, the US and Burma alone in this world still measure > distances in feet, weight in ounces, temperature in Fahrenheit. Don't be > assured that a similar fate is not in store for the Clinton Healthcare > reform. We all might be working our behinds off to get things ready, while > Congress decides to grant one delay after the other until the issue goes > away. > I am not shy to do the heavy lifting, read the IG's , write parsers, test, > tie in business rules and so on. But for an effort of this magnitude, I > believe the equipment supplied so far, in the form of a few testfiles of one > out of 9 protocols make this a leap of faith. > So, now I feel I can climb down from my soap box. > Feel free to join in this discussion but please, lets not get into personal > attacks. We are all working hard. > > Martin Scholl > Scholl Consulting Group, Inc. > 301-924-5537 Tel > 301-570-0139 Fax > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.SchollConsulting.com > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Martin Scholl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Craig Frey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:45 PM > Subject: Re: HIPAA Compliance Tests > > > > > > Martin, > > I take exception to your response to Craig's question. Normally I would > > not bother answering you but when you insult the efforts of a small group > > of volunteers in SNIP and Claredi who have put in hundreds of volunteer > > hours developing test scenarios and actual test files for the public's use > > ... at NO charge ... you bring out a fierce reaction. > > > > WEDI SNIP's Transaction Testing subwork group has created, and Claredi has > > been kind enough to voluntarily develop, test files for both Business and > > Technical tests using the X12N 837 Implementation Guides. > > > > There are over 4,700 Technical scenarios available at claredi.com under > the > > 'tab' FREE STUFF. So I guess that would equate to a "few" to some people, > > who did not volunteer their time to work on the project. > > > > The Technical tests are syntactical tests looking to ensure 5 conditions > > are handled: > > length too short > > length too long > > invalid entry > > missing entry and finally a > > correct entry > > These tests are for fields and segments within the three 837 types. > > > > The Business Cases are circumstances specific as they relate to the use of > > the Implementation Guide.... what is required to create an Ambulance 837 > as > > opposed to a Med/Surg 837 or a Home Infusion service. > > > > "Broken 837s" ?! This term implies these tests do not perform the actions > > for which they were designed. Based on that definition I beg to differ. > > > > As far as having to 'resort to using the samples in the Implementation > > Guide' .... that's what the X12 authors wrote them for, the public to use > > the samples! What a poor choice of words. > > > > And finally NONE ... I repeat NONE of the WEDI SNIP test scenarios require > > you to be a Claredi Customer! In fact you will soon be able to access > this > > information using a link from the SNIP website. > > > > The problem is all of the work is strictly on a volunteer basis and each > > one of us in SNIP ... including the dedicated people with Claredi... have > > full-time jobs already so there are more scenarios which need to be > written > > by the Testing SWG and created by Claredi. There are over 600 people on > > the >Testing ListServ but there are only a dozen some volunteers who do the > > work. > > > > Perhaps Martin if you are so anxious for more test scenarios you are > > volunteering to help us! The Testing Group has a call every other week at > > 8AM Mountain and Pacific / 11 AM Eastern at 703-736-7290 call code > > 1315339. The next scheduled call happens to be this Thurs 4/25. > > > > > > Marsha Solomon > > Verizon Information Technologies Inc. > > Managed Care Division > > Phoenix, AZ > > Phone - 602.678.6042 > > Fax - 602.678.6331 > > E-mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is > > for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential > > and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > > distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please > > contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original > > message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Martin Scholl > > <mscholl@martinsc To: Craig Frey > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > holl.com> cc: > > Subject: Re: HIPAA > Compliance Tests > > 04/22/02 06:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That seems to be the problem right now. Claredi just has a few broken > > 837's. I heard that WEDI is supposed to publish more but I havn't seen a > > thing yet. > > I resorted to using the samples in the Implementation guides. > > I heard Claredi has a lot more if you sign up with them. > > > > Martin Scholl > > Scholl Consulting Group, Inc. > > 301-924-5537 Tel > > 301-570-0139 Fax > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > www.SchollConsulting.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Craig Frey > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 5:47 PM > > Subject: HIPAA Compliance Tests > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > I have seen references to your group developing tests for HIPAA > compliance > > in my search of the internet, and have found a set of tests you published > > for one transaction. I was wondering what was happening with tests for > the > > other transactions? Are there plans for publishing any more test suites? > > If not, do you know of any source of valid and/or invalid data sets to > > build my own test suites from? > > > > Thanks for your time, > > > > > > > > > > > > Craig Frey > > Quality Assurance Engineer > > QA/Monrovia > > ph: (626)471-6260> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > To be removed from this list, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Please note that it may take up to 72 hours to process your request. > > > > ********************************************************************** > > To be removed from this list, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Please note that it may take up to 72 hours to process your request. > > > > > > > > > ********************************************************************** To be removed from this list, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that it may take up to 72 hours to process your request. ********************************************************************** To be removed from this list, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that it may take up to 72 hours to process your request. ********************************************************************** To be removed from this list, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that it may take up to 72 hours to process your request.
