Well, this eps approach is pretty klunky, and I'm still hoping someone comes
up with a more TeX'y solution to the original question. There may be some
legitimate uses for this sort of thing--e.g. when there are two conflicting
sources for the same piece. I think the offical word for that is ossia.

For newly invented ornaments, I know for sure there's a more TeXy
approach--make font characters using Metafont--but I don't have the
slightest idea how to do that. There's also something called Metapost, which
Hiroaki Morimoto used to construct Type M postscript slurs. Maybe that's
another option. Again, I have no idea at all how to use it.

On the matter of Telemann's ornaments, after I wrote my little rant, it
occurred to me that in selected movements of various of his sonatas Telemann
did include an ornamented melodic line together with a pristine one. The
best known examples are in the Methodical Sonatas, but I know there are a
few others. I haven't seen any facsimiles of any of these. In the modern
editions I have seen, the ornamented lines continue throughout the entire
movement. I suppose it's not impossible that he might have written out a
main-note trill in one of these, but I still doubt it (because it would
sound wierd), I've never heard it, and the two Methodical Sonatas I have--in
c minor and g minor--don't have anything like that. But I'd be glad to have
someone prove me wrong.

--Don Simons


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Trent J
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:57 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [TeX-music] Detailed ornament variants
>
>
> Hi,
>
> You've just answered a question that I was just about to ask. I
> recently got
> a hold of Veracini's Op 2 Sonatas where he uses some made up ornaments to
> indicate various string strokes and accents. I've been puzzling
> over how to
> add these to a pmx file but your answer to this question has provided me
> with a way of drawing this images and using them as eps files.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Trent
>
> From: "Don Simons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Typesetting music with TeX <[email protected]>
> To: "Typesetting music with TeX" <[email protected]>
> Subject: RE: [TeX-music] Detailed ornament variants
> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:07:59 -0700
>
> I'm sorry to see that no one has responded to this query. I don't have a
> "fully baked" solution, but one that is something less than half-baked and
> rather round-about. You could generate a separate .eps file
> containing just
> the small staff. This could be done with pmx+musixtex+dvips+gsview. Then
> using inline TeX you could insert that as a graphic into the PMX file with
> something like
>
> \zcharnote{12}{\epsffile{myepsfile.eps}}\
>
> Somewhere you have to include
>
> \\input epsf\
>
> I've tested this and it works.
>
> Now let me take off my PMX hat and put on a music publisher's
> hat. I suggest
> that for the music of Telemann, you might be able to save
> yourself all this
> work if you honestly ask yourself why you need to include a realization of
> an ornament like this in the first place. You never said what your source
> is, but I'll bet that this sort of helpful hint doesn't appear in anything
> Telemann himself wrote. Baroque players were expected to insert ornaments
> where appropriate. If for some reason you still want to insert this
> particular ornament this way, are you going to do it in lots of
> other places
> too? Wouldn't that make the score look pretty cluttered? Maybe you could
> just add ornament symbols in parentheses.
>
> Furthermore, except in early Italian baroque music, and especially in
> Telemann, all baroque trills start above the main note, not on it. If you
> put this particular suggestion into your score, you'll be suggesting
> something inconsistent with historical performance practice.
>
> --Don Simons
>
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
>  > Sass Bálint
>  > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:13 PM
>  > To: [email protected]
>  > Subject: [TeX-music] Detailed ornament variants
>  >
>  >
>  > Dear all!
>  >
>  > I'm trying to typeset Telemann's Sonata in F major.
>  > In the second movement there are detailed ornament variations
>  > at some places in a temporary smallsized staff.
>  >
>  > E.g. the main tune is "( g4d a8 )",
>  > and the detailed variant above it is "( g3 a g a g4 a8 )",
>  > written in a small staff which exists only above this half bar.
>  >
>  > Is there a method to create such a thing with PMX/MusiXTeX?
>  > Perhaps visually turning a staff on and off temporarily somehow
>  > or something like that?
>  >
>  > I did not find the solution in PMX or MusiXTeX manual ...
>  >
>  > Thanks:
>  > SASS Bálint
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