I think using Metapost etc would be a bit over kill. The ornaments... or
more precisely violin articulations or used very sparingly... I could also
use another series of characters either letters or other keyboard characters
/ + | * ^ # etc to represent these. The scripts were made up by Veracini so
using another set of symbols to represent the same articulations would not
spoil the 'authenticity' of the transcription.
Any way we all know that most of the works we set are either for our own or
generally 'private' use and any musician worth their salt will always refer
back to the original edition for clarification or corrections.
Trent
From: "Don Simons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Typesetting music with TeX <[email protected]>
To: "Typesetting music with TeX" <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [TeX-music] Detailed ornament variants
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:49:12 -0700
Well, this eps approach is pretty klunky, and I'm still hoping someone comes
up with a more TeX'y solution to the original question. There may be some
legitimate uses for this sort of thing--e.g. when there are two conflicting
sources for the same piece. I think the offical word for that is ossia.
For newly invented ornaments, I know for sure there's a more TeXy
approach--make font characters using Metafont--but I don't have the
slightest idea how to do that. There's also something called Metapost, which
Hiroaki Morimoto used to construct Type M postscript slurs. Maybe that's
another option. Again, I have no idea at all how to use it.
On the matter of Telemann's ornaments, after I wrote my little rant, it
occurred to me that in selected movements of various of his sonatas Telemann
did include an ornamented melodic line together with a pristine one. The
best known examples are in the Methodical Sonatas, but I know there are a
few others. I haven't seen any facsimiles of any of these. In the modern
editions I have seen, the ornamented lines continue throughout the entire
movement. I suppose it's not impossible that he might have written out a
main-note trill in one of these, but I still doubt it (because it would
sound wierd), I've never heard it, and the two Methodical Sonatas I have--in
c minor and g minor--don't have anything like that. But I'd be glad to have
someone prove me wrong.
--Don Simons
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Trent J
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:57 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [TeX-music] Detailed ornament variants
>
>
> Hi,
>
> You've just answered a question that I was just about to ask. I
> recently got
> a hold of Veracini's Op 2 Sonatas where he uses some made up ornaments to
> indicate various string strokes and accents. I've been puzzling
> over how to
> add these to a pmx file but your answer to this question has provided me
> with a way of drawing this images and using them as eps files.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Trent
>
> From: "Don Simons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Typesetting music with TeX <[email protected]>
> To: "Typesetting music with TeX" <[email protected]>
> Subject: RE: [TeX-music] Detailed ornament variants
> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:07:59 -0700
>
> I'm sorry to see that no one has responded to this query. I don't have a
> "fully baked" solution, but one that is something less than half-baked
and
> rather round-about. You could generate a separate .eps file
> containing just
> the small staff. This could be done with pmx+musixtex+dvips+gsview. Then
> using inline TeX you could insert that as a graphic into the PMX file
with
> something like
>
> \zcharnote{12}{\epsffile{myepsfile.eps}}\
>
> Somewhere you have to include
>
> \\input epsf\
>
> I've tested this and it works.
>
> Now let me take off my PMX hat and put on a music publisher's
> hat. I suggest
> that for the music of Telemann, you might be able to save
> yourself all this
> work if you honestly ask yourself why you need to include a realization
of
> an ornament like this in the first place. You never said what your source
> is, but I'll bet that this sort of helpful hint doesn't appear in
anything
> Telemann himself wrote. Baroque players were expected to insert ornaments
> where appropriate. If for some reason you still want to insert this
> particular ornament this way, are you going to do it in lots of
> other places
> too? Wouldn't that make the score look pretty cluttered? Maybe you could
> just add ornament symbols in parentheses.
>
> Furthermore, except in early Italian baroque music, and especially in
> Telemann, all baroque trills start above the main note, not on it. If you
> put this particular suggestion into your score, you'll be suggesting
> something inconsistent with historical performance practice.
>
> --Don Simons
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> > Sass Bálint
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:13 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [TeX-music] Detailed ornament variants
> >
> >
> > Dear all!
> >
> > I'm trying to typeset Telemann's Sonata in F major.
> > In the second movement there are detailed ornament variations
> > at some places in a temporary smallsized staff.
> >
> > E.g. the main tune is "( g4d a8 )",
> > and the detailed variant above it is "( g3 a g a g4 a8 )",
> > written in a small staff which exists only above this half bar.
> >
> > Is there a method to create such a thing with PMX/MusiXTeX?
> > Perhaps visually turning a staff on and off temporarily somehow
> > or something like that?
> >
> > I did not find the solution in PMX or MusiXTeX manual ...
> >
> > Thanks:
> > SASS Bálint
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