On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, Helge Kruse wrote:

Hello

I want to write a piece for ten harps and one rhythm instrument (triangle).
All instruments except one harp has one staff. One harp has two staves. This
gives 12 staves. So I am near to the limit "12 staves".

But in some measures I have chords that should be played with both hands.
These are normally typed as two voices with stem down resp. up to indicate
to play the note with the left and right hand. Now I get the error message

 Cannot have more than 12 lines of music at once

You can see this in the excerpt below. You can run it with PMX if you remove
the week before last line. How can I complete my "masterpiece"?

/Helge


12 -11  1 1 1 1  1 1 1 1  2 1 1
4 4  0 6 0 0 0 6 16 0.1
Triangel
Harfe 10
Harfe 9
Harfe 8
Harfe 7
Harfe 6
Harfe 5
Harfe 4
Harfe 3
Harfe 2
Harfe 1
bbbbbbbbbtbb
./
\\input musixdia\relax\input musixper\relax\sepbarrules\
\\setlines{10}1\setsign{10}0\setclefsymbol{10}{\drumclef}\setclef{10}0\
\\setlines{ 1}1\setsign{ 1}0\setclefsymbol{ 1}{\drumclef}\setclef{ 1}0\

\\def\dr{\let\cu\docu\let\qu\doqu\let\cl\docl\let\ql\doql\let\qb\doqb}\

\\makeatletter\
\\let\begininstrumentold\begininstrument\
\\def\begininstrument{\begininstrumentold\
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@nt=1\dr\fi}\
\\makeatother\

b44 r4 r2 rbp rbp rbp  /
rbp rbp rbp rbp  /
rbp rbp rbp rbp  /
rbp rbp rbp rbp  /
%
rbp rbp rbp rbp  /
rbp rbp rbp rbp  /
rbp rbp rbp rbp  /
rbp rbp rbp rbp  /
%
rbp rbp rbp rbp  /
rbp rbp rbp rbp  /
r4 b44x3 b b b4 b  | r4 b44x3 b b b4 b | \sk\duevolte\ rbp  | \sk\duevolte\
rbp  /
d42 Dpp r r2   | d4 r r2 | d4 a+ d- a+ | d- a+ d- a+  /

% 48
rbp /
rbp  /
rbp  /
rbp  /
%
rbp  /
rbp  /
rbp  /
rbp  /
%
rbp /
rbp /
r4 b44x3 b b b4 b /
d42 a+ d- a+  //
d43 a+ d- a+  /


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Hi Helge,

here are some quick, and therefore certainly not very helpful
comments. They are quick because right now I am too busy with
other stuff to look into your problem more deeply --- sorry!


   (i) in PMX, the 12 lines of music are hard-wired; that means
       that if you want to change this parameter, you need to do
       it in the (FORTRAN) source and recompile. That is tedious,
       to say the least,
  (ii) I remember (VERY vaguely, I must admit) that Don Simons
       said to me something like that enlarging this number is not
       trivial in PMX (possibly because its not only PMX, but
       MusiXTeX itself that has this limit !?). Considering that
       the PMX source is in a somewhat dated version of FORTRAN, I
       would not even think of trying such a source change and
       recompile without an explicit OK by Don,
 (iii) on the other hand, times have changed not only for FORTRAN,
       but for TeX, and for that in particular, with many
       hard parameter limits a thing of the past with ETeX (which
       now is almost the standard). So your problem ahould (IN
       PRINCIPLE !) be simple to solve with a software update, and I
       strongly vote for that,

            ***  Don: you are listening, I hope!  ***

       There is, of course, always the printability limit, so no
       one will be foolish enough to try typing a Mahler symphony
       with MusiXTeX, but 15 to 20 voices certainly would be nice to
       have!

 (iv)  there always is inline TeX, and I distinctly remember that
       in the WIMA (Werner Icking Music Archive) there is a
       beautiful paper by Werner himself (sic !) showing how to
       write for a larger number of instruments with MusixTeX. You
       should, under all circumstances, dig out that paper (again,
       I am sorry to admit that I didn't find it right away when I
       looked for it; but it's there).

   (v) I see from your source that you don't die for fear of
       inline TeX; so at least with a bit of help from some of us
       (unfortunately, I repeat, not me at this moment) you should
       be able to get some results. So don't give up! (and when
       you're done, be sure to inform me; this would be a
       wonderful addition to the `Tips and Tricks' section in the
       WIMA (which I am maintaining, you know)!

 PS. : Thinking of some of the neat tricks by Andre Van Ryckeghem
       for more than 2 lines of music in one staff (see the Tips
       and Tricks), I come to believe that your specific problem
       could perhaps be soluble even without really increasing
       the magic number of 12 ?! It's problably a stupid wild
       guess, but you should certainly look at that as well.


Hope this hilft a bit!

ccn.
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