David,

For a time, PayPal was making it look like you had to join PayPal whenever a
vendor used them for online credit card transactions.  You would have to
scroll down to a button that said something on the order of "don't have a
PayPal Account".  They've cleaned up their act, probably because of vendor
pressure and it goes right into a credit card payment screen with an option
to log into PayPal to the side.

I need to rework the PayPal transaction on the TSA site to be more like the
TCMA page, fill out your information before going to the PayPal site to put
in your credit card number and the information will already be there like
TCMA.  All it takes is time.  

BTW:  You don't put your credit card number in until you reach the PayPal
secure transaction page.  TCMA and TSA have no knowledge of your credit card
number and other information associated with it.  All they see is that
somebody (contact information included) did a transaction for some amount of
money.

In the maybe not too distant future you'll be able to order books and pay
for them online on the TSS website.

Butch Fralia



-----Original Message-----
From: David Locklear [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 4:27 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: online membership information

After reviewing the previous post I sent,

I realized that some of those on-line membership forms
required either mailing the form in or mailing a check,
or downloading a .pdf application.

The Western Cave Conservancy required an extra click
to get to their application page.

The TCC required mailing in the application.

The TCMA form is still the best one I have found so far.
However, I believe both the TCMA and TSA forms
require you to first go to a PayPal form, and then click
that you don't have PayPal to choose some other form
of payment?    ( I haven't tried it, so I don't know )

The Arizona grotto page mentioned, lets you join their
statewide organization at the same time you join the
grotto.     Actually, it reads more like your required to
join.     Another bizarre question on their form is:  What
color do you code your gear?

For only $ 1,000, you get a 10 year membership
to the Missouri Karst Conservancy.

While in Florida, its free:

http://www.karstconservancy.org/help/membership.asp


Here is another application:

http://members.aol.com/caveconser/ccvapplication.htm

It doesn't look like the UIS has a membership application.
I take it, that each country appoints a delegate and there
are elected officers by the delegates.
( I only skimmed their web-site. )

AMCS doesn't have membership, but does accept
donations by mail.

There are probably tons of on-line forms in other
languages for cave organizations.    I didn't find
any in Spanish on my first attempt.


Does this form make any sense?

http://www.psc-cavers.org/psc/MembershipApplication.html


Many caving web-sites have a link to a .pdf application
such as:

http://www.caves.org.au/downloads/membership_form.pdf

You can find other clubs to join using Mr. Bentley's
MegaLink site:

http://www.caver.net/megalink.html

Some grottos require proof of NSS membership on their
applications:

http://www.caves.org/grotto/huntsville/docs/Membership%20Application%20Hi.pd
f


In summary,

I would like to give a special thanks to all the speleo web-masters
out there who are
working diligently to make join caving clubs more user friendly.
It is my opinion,
that the internet is going to someday play a valueable role in caving
and raising
money for cave conservation.

David Locklear
Fort Bend County, Texas

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