Well, cave or caving related?  Actually it is as it effects our environmental 
decisions and colors all of our actions on the way.  So I apologize and,  as I 
once read here, HIT DELETE NOW.


Sorry Mike, but many of your "facts" just are not correct. Please do your 
homework better.  This kind of repeating made-up false "facts" is why  our 
Pinocchio-in-chief gets away with telling falsehoods, and the Trolls get you to 
make very bad decisions every day, not just in elections.  You complain about 
David, but you should also get out of your own echo chamber.


I am clearly incensed, but it is really not my intent to start a flame war, so 
I will not be continuing this discussion. Please, "Just the Facts!"  Real 
facts.  Not Fake Facts.


DirtDoc


1) Recycling for the most part is a farce and costs more than making new. If it 
weren't for saving on raw materials and easing a slight load on landfills it 
would be a lark.


You started off well and are probably correct on this one. Cost/benefit studies 
need to be done on recycling now that China and the other Asian countries are 
not buying our recycled material. To have extra trucks and manpower to pick up 
recycled materials from homeowners and then have people sort it out on conveyor 
belts and then still having to drive the rejected material to the dump 
certainly seems to be an environmental negative.


Fuel efficient cars ease the pocket book and are better for the environment, 
but the question is this. Thanks to Trump we are for the first time in history 
not dependent on the middle east for fuel.


Trump had nothing to do with making us energy independent. This was due to the 
technical achievements that have been made on fracking and the large deposits 
of oil and gas embedded in rock that has been discovered, particularly in the 
Permian and Williston Basins.


Why is fuel so damn expensive then? I'll tell you why. It's because of greed.


I find the comments on the way oil is priced based on greed is ludicrous.


The domestic supply costs let's say $30.00 a barrel. After refining and other 
related costs our domestic fuel cost about 50% less than then the global supply 
at the pump. Why are our domestic suppliers charging us the global per barrel 
prices instead of their costs plus a decent profit. Greed.


It was Obama, not Trump, that signed new legislation to allow the export of oil 
from the USA. Oil from fracking is only profitable if oil sells for $50 a 
barrel or more. Any economist will tell you it’s based on supply and demand as 
it is a common commodity. The comments made were based on emotion and not 
facts. Anybody that believes that they are paying too much for gasoline should 
get an electric car or a bicycle, or travel outside the USA. I am not sure this 
is a "fact", but in my foreign travels I have found that gasoline prices in the 
USA are the cheapest unsubsidized gasoline I have had to buy.


Wind energy. I read recently that the cost of manufacturing and maintenance of 
wind turbine energy far exceeds the energy output of the turbine over its 
lifetime.


There are all sorts of "facts" out there to read.  Allow me to quote something 
some human has written, and I will be able to "prove" anything, including that 
the Earth is flat. The comments made on wind and solar power are not 
technically correct either. Wind and solar is the sustainable energy for now 
and in the future.


As for solar energy the carbon footprint for the manufacturing of panels is 
astronomical as is the production of batteries. Then there is the hazardous 
waste of the batteries to contend with. Again doesn't pass muster economically.


The comments made on wind and solar power are not technically correct either. 
Wind and solar is the sustainable energy for now and in the future.


So let's Split an Atom, and save a tree.  Think about it.
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