Pranam
I could not stormy laughter. There is a person in our group who is
expert in Sanskrit and use to burst out if I write but watching out from
the fence. Jokers are every where and the Gopatha brahmana vadhyars are
there as seen right in front. His ignorance is revealed day by day. Nothing
more to add; Treragni is followed with the agni-hotram, who are not
supposed to cross the sea. In North India people (especially now in Bhopal)
people call it as agni- hotram and I do not mean it. Some where else he
confuses the brahma and the brahmin and asserted that what he quoted is fro
Taitriya brahmana 2.8.8.2) There is none as it is in T B. What he had
written is the 3rd verse of the Brahma Suktham; it is not about brahmin but
about creation undertaken by Brahma or origin of Hiranya Garba. Those who
knew Sanskrit can get the meaning or even write about it. Brahma Suktam is
a Vedic hymn that is chanted in praise of Lord Brahma, the creator of the
universe in Hindu mythology. It is often chanted along with Oushadi Suktam
(sacred hymn for healing, good health, and redemption) as Prayaschitham,
meaning redemption or relief from past and future sins. Brahma Suktam is
mainly chanted for gaining knowledge from Brahma, the creator of Vedas or
sacred texts. Chanting or listening to this sacred hymn can help cleanse
one’s self of internal impurities and sins. Let him learn Thank you K R
IRS 11121
On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 at 17:35, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dear folks
>
> The demented cat on hot bricks pitifully mews unintelligible gibberish in
> desperation at being totally exposed in his lack of intelligence.
>
> Not surprisingly, he has concocted a "Purusha Medham" to give
> expression to his weird imaginings and his flights of fancy over the
> cuckoo's nest.
>
> *"**As Ashva medha there is one Purusha medha," *solemnly intones the
> atheist, who (along with his invisible mentor Ambedkar) draws his
> inspiration from the Buddhists who not only reject all our scriptures and
> our divinities, but also deny that any legitimate birth given by a Braahmana
> woman
> is NOT a Braahmana infant. By necessary implication therefore, all he
> does is put on permanent record, publish and broadcast *his own personal
> illegitimacy*, whether he realises this or not!
>
> He tries to obfuscate the issue by claiming that, "The quoted (by him
> only) purusha medha simply......" does not say that brahmin is by birth.
>
> Well, well!
>
> He is not averse to dragging our revered Divinity of Learning Goddess
> Sarasvathi into the affray and trying to highjack our boundless adoration
> of Her as his unsubpoenaed and unwiling witness to his untruth.
>
> The embarrassing (to him) fact is, the last verse of the popular
> Sarasvathi ashtakam is:-
>
> "chathur-mukhasya jaayaa yaa
> chathur-veda svaroopini
> chathur bhuja cha saa vyovyaath
> *chathur varga sarasvathi."*
>
> The last line emphasises that the Goddess is the divinity of all the four
> varnas without distinction. It recalls the first line of the second verse
> of the ashtakam which is:-
>
> *"varna samstaanga roopaaya"*
>
> Finally, he asks (rhetorically?):-
>
> "Is theer any one who does the agnihotram?" (His own misspelling)
>
> Yes, there is, my dear befuddled insane asylum resident and master of
> misrepresentation. If you were not incurably blind and deaf to my earlier
> postings, you would and could have noticed that I for one perform
> agnihothrams regularly.
>
> So much so that you became unreasonably irritated and publicly castigated
> "All vaadhyars" and even insulted Brahmarishi Vasishta. Remember your 13
> December 2020 rant:-
>
> *"All vadhyars who assemble as Veda cultured only to represent the
> BRAHMA, as Purohit to do the task on behalf of the ejaman whether Kamya
> karya or not; no vadhyar has any power even if Vasishta."*
>
> Some swell-headed turbaned individuals in our midst strut about like
> fairyland emperors, not realising that they have no clothes on, not even a
> kaupeenam.
>
> The poor pachyderm-skinned souls deserve our pity.
>
> S Narayanaswamy Iyer.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 1:56 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Very interesting! Not even showing the husk leave alone the tip of the
>> paddy. Bamboozling words of credits to me thank the aviveka. avowed
>> taxman prostrating toy disciple. Any one can sense anything?. Well he
>> never did anything so for in getting that evidence. Anyone who can know his
>> words may state the pros and cons over the quote of Purusha medha. As Ashva
>> medha there is one Purusha medha; sacrifice is a word in English rendering
>> a wrong comprehension. All know only one thing for sacrifice. It is not
>> exactly meant as English meaning sacrifice; it is yagnam; medha is
>> intelligence attributed to Saraswathi; there is one Medha suktam attributed
>> to Saraswathi. Ashva, Purusha medha are all yagnam. Yagnam is a kind of
>> work defined. The quoted purusha medha simply says a long list read with
>> Shatapatha brahamana 13.6.2, stressing each do your work assigned to you
>> and the list goes broadened. It does not say that brahmin is by birth.
>> Alabhate is the root word; who is a brahmin?; one who knows the Brahman
>> is a Brahmin; so let brahmin keep in line with the Brahman; kshatriya let
>> him stay with the govt functions; " *THE (SYMBOLICAL) VICTIMS OF THE
>> PURUSHAMEDHA .*
>>
>> I. 1. To the priesthood (he consecrates) a Brâhma*n*a--2. To the
>> nobility a Kshatriya--3. To the Maruts a Vai*s*ya--4. To penance
>> (hardship, tapas) a *S*idra--5. To darkness a thief--6. To hell a
>> man-slayer--7. To evil a eunuch--8. To barter an unchaste woman
>> (ayobhû )--9. To desire a harlot (pu*msk*alû)--10. To the shriek
>> (atikrush*t*a) a minstrel (mâgadha)--11. To dancing a herald (bard,
>> sûta)--12. To singing an actor (*s*ailûsha)--13. To the law a counsellor
>> (sabhâ*k*ara)--14. To joking a timorous man--15. To fun (narma) a
>> chatterer--16. To laughter (hasa) an artizan (kâri,? singer of
>> praises)--17. To pleasure (ânanda) a woman's friend--18. To enjoyment a
>> maiden's son--19. To skill a wheelwright--20. To perseverance a
>> carpenter--21. To heat (tapas) a potter--22. To craft a mechanic--23. To
>> handsome form a jeweller--24. To beauty a barber 3
>> <https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/sbr/sbe44/sbe44111.htm#fn_1074>--25.
>> To the arrow-shot an arrow-maker--26. To the weapon a bow-maker--27. To
>> work a bowstring-maker--28. To fate a rope-maker--29. To death a
>> huntsman--30. To the end (antaka) a dog-keeper--31. To rivers a fisherman
>> (pau*ñg*ish*th*a)--32. To the ogress (of waste lands) a Nishâda --33.
>> To the man-tiger (? werwolf) a mono-maniac--34. To the Gandharvas and
>> Apsaras a roving outcast (vrâtya)--35. To the teams (? prayu*g*) a
>> madman--36. To serpents and demons a blockhead (? apratipad)--37. To dice a
>> gambler--38. To impassibility 2
>> <https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/sbr/sbe44/sbe44111.htm#fn_1076> a
>> non-gambler--39. To the devils (pi*s*â*k*as) a female cane-worker
>> (basket-maker)--40. To the hobgoblins (yâtudhâna) a female worker in
>> thorns--41. To intercourse a gallant--42. To the house a paramour--43. To
>> trouble an unmarried elder brother whose younger brother is married--44. To
>> calamity a younger brother married before his elder brother--45. To failure
>> 3 <https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/sbr/sbe44/sbe44111.htm#fn_1077> the
>> husband of a younger sister whose elder sister is unmarried--46. To
>> reparation an artiste in embroidery--47. To agreement a female practiser of
>> love-spells--48. To garrulity (prakâmodya) an attendant.
>>
>> The list run so. who is who is the list. It is not just the Taitriya
>> Samhita alone but runs into satapataha , maha narayana and so on. Sir pl
>> dont waste time especially yours. Gopatha Brahmana says(2.13) नाना
>> प्रवचनानि ह व एतानि भुतानि भवन्ति ये चौवसोमपम् याजयन्ति ये च सुरापम् ये
>> च विच्छिन्नम् ब्राह्मनम्सोमयाजिनम् याजयन्ति॥ गो ब्र २ १३ Those
>> persons becomes the targets of censure who for the performance of their
>> yagnas engage such priests who are not worthy of partaking soma or who
>> resort to drinking wine or who are discarded from the vedic lore
>> (tradition). What dies it show? A priest who is a brahmin even in that era
>> long ago were not considered brahmin even by birth. Purusha medha says just
>> that. The same brahamana 2.23 says that A Brahmana who has not kept
>> ahavaniya agni at his house is not regarded worthy of receiving or
>> extending his blessings dhanam etc or procuring the fruits of deeds studies
>> etc performed by him during the earlier births or earlier period of his
>> life. Some time back Mr Sithamalli was talking about Pururavus carrying
>> agbi to Gandhara ; that wa sreally where agni was given to him he made it
>> into three and carried out; that is termed as TRERAGNI FOR A BRAHMIN;
>> birth, life and death are attached by agni to a brahmin. Is theer any one
>> who does the agnihotram?. So it is not the tax officer who says so; your
>> ancestors said so. K R IRS 11121
>>
>> On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 at 06:51, Narayanaswamy Subramanian <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dear folks
>>>
>>> My favourite obstreperous maverick and jejune genius, the all-knowing
>>> all-being Sri Rajaram Krishnamurthy I.R.S., once openly challenged me to
>>> quote the Vedic authority which declares unconditionally that the
>>> Braahmanas are so by birth.
>>>
>>> His very own ungrammatical and combative words on 23 Oct 2020:-
>>>
>>> *"If NS can show me with the evidence form the sacred vedam that
>>> brahmin is by birth only well lets why let me become his disciple."*
>>>
>>> His own rock-hard illusion and delusion was that Lord Sree Krishna in
>>> the Bhagavath-Geetha denied so. His touted source:
>>>
>>> *chathurvarnam mayaasrushtam gunakarmavibhaaga shah: |*
>>> *thasya karththaaramapi maam viddhyakarththaara mavyayam ||*
>>>
>>> (Bhagavath-Geetha Cap IV v 13)
>>>
>>> The maverick-genius translated this minute extract from the miniscule
>>> (700 slokams) of the ithihaasa puraanam Mahaa-Bhaaratham as incontrovetibly
>>> asserting for all time and for all seasons that ONLY by innate nature
>>> (gunam) and overt acts (karmam) are Braahmanas identifiable.
>>>
>>> He chose deliberately to overlook and totally ignore the hidden
>>> pre-requisite that these two characteristic features are ADDITIONAL to
>>> birth, and not substitutes.
>>>
>>> Certainly, I could have matched him, Puraanam to Puraanam, by quoting
>>> Sree Lalitha sahasra-naamam from Brahmaanda Puraanam:-
>>>
>>> *varnaashrama vidhaayinye namaha*(naama no. 286).
>>>
>>> However, since he wanted "evidence form the sacred vedam" I quoted to
>>> him the Purusha Sooktham which clearly declares with unquestionable
>>> authority that Braahmanas were created from the "mukham" of the virad
>>> Purusha (and continued their uninterrupted descent from there to the
>>> present day).
>>>
>>> Since I did not trust the chameleon in human skin, nor was I convinced
>>> of his integrity, I declined to accept the awowed taxman prostrating toy
>>> disciple.
>>>
>>> Far from prostrating to and venerating the infallibility of our sacred
>>> vedams, he appeared (and still appears) to side with the atheist dissenting
>>> Buddhists whose founder pontificated that shoodra vaana-prasthaas were
>>> braahmanas and those born from Braahmana wombs were not:
>>>
>>> pamsukooladharam jantum kisam damanisanthatam
>>> ekam vanasmim jhaayantham tam aham broomi braahmanam (Dhammapada v 395)
>>>
>>> na cha aham braahmanam broooni yonijam mattisambhavam
>>> bhoovadi naama so hoti sa che hoti sakinchano
>>> akinchanam anaadaanam tam aham broomi braahmanam (Dhammapada v 396)
>>>
>>>
>>> The maverick-genius has little if any acquaintance with, much less
>>> knowledge, of our Yajur-vedam.
>>>
>>> So, he is obviously unconscious of the Taittireeya Braahmanam which
>>> further reinforces and supports what already appears in the Purusha
>>> sooktham:-
>>>
>>> *brahmane braahmanamaalabhathe |*
>>> *kshathraaya raajanyam |*
>>> *marudbhyo vaishyam |*
>>>
>>> (Yajurveda Taittireeya Braahmanam "Purusha medhaha" - T.B. 3.4.1.1.)
>>>
>>>
>>> The above should hopefully put to rest any illegitimate doubts or
>>> misgivings implanted or aroused by the thoughtless peregrinations of an
>>> unprincipled adventurer into our sacred scriptures and traditions.
>>>
>>> Namaskaarams to elders.
>>>
>>> S Narayanaswamy Iyer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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