Re: [iyer123] Re: Braahmanas are not by birth?

[Rajaram Krishnamurthy]

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On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 14:38, Narayanaswamy Iyer <iyern...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Dear folks
>
> Regrettably, Sri Rajaram Krishnamurthy has suffered a relapse of his old
> afflictions of leprosy and syphilis..
>
> Accordingly, his left-hand ring finger is paralysed and he cannot access
> the button for the letter "w".  He therefore types:-
>
> *'...... the elephantine ignoramus capricious idiot detractor Sri "
> NARAYANASAMY  "......' *
>
>
> If imitation is the most sincere form of flattery, the first six words
> above are copied by him from my own earlier keyboard posting recently
> on this web.  But I am not flattered.
>
> *"கலி காலத்தில் கை மேலெ பலம்"*
>
> is a popular saying in the Kerala countryside.
>
> Sri  Rajaram Krishnamurthy appears to have received his just deserts from
> Goddess Sarasvathi whom he tried to hijack recently to serve his own vile
> purposes.
>
> S Narayanaswamy Iyer
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 4:31 PM Sithamalli Balasubramanian <
> sithamal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I faced a problem long back when my son reached school going age. I was
>> lucky to have had an influential friend. The choice was between a sober
>> school run by a chrisitan mission and an Anglo-Indian 'public school'. I
>> lacked one thing in my schooling; I did not know English swear words. I
>> learnt the value of arse when my Parsi boss shouted at me, "Lift your
>> bloody arse". I was sitting at his table when he entered the room.
>> So I chose the Anglo-Indian school. My son is now endearingly calling me
>> shit etc.,
>> I think I made a mistake. I should have chosen the Iyer group. He would
>> have learnt the Indian version of swearing in English.
>> The chat is excellent. Don't climb down either of you. We are learning a
>> lot. Keep it up.
>> Skb
>>
>> On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 11:07, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
>> keyarinc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Pranam
>>> 1  Q    What the elephantine ignoramus does not know is that the 3rd
>>> verse of the Brahma sooktham is a word-for-word reproduction of the last
>>> four lines of T.B. 2.8.8.9 (sorry,* not T.B.2.8.8.2* as I earlier
>>> inadvertently mistyped.)
>>> KR    Let the "elephantine ignoramus capricious idiot detractor Sri "
>>> NARAYANASAMY joker does not know is all the sukthams are only extracted
>>> from the Vedas and I am not such to deny it; how ever when KR types BG it
>>> is a grave crime which some other loose nosy tongued fellow also shouted
>>> while the same mistake if committed by narayanaswamy is " I earlier
>>> inadvertently mistyped".  Funny joker. Do you understand now? I am also
>>> loudly making it clear to all those who are watching like Bhishma drona
>>> kripa in the mahabharata watching the insult to pandavas at the end met the
>>> fate for the crime. One who always tries to poke in it is not there, sits
>>> silently; another does not open the mouth; another simply sys that thank
>>> god I am not there; all are lders for this society!!. It is just to show
>>> what an idiot can brag without substance.
>>>       Does those 4 lines speak that brahmins are by birth or something
>>> else?. Even now the elephantine ignoramus pretend it is so; because many in
>>> this forum either are interested to know or even if attempting does not
>>> know the meaning; and this all the time makes the old to brag as he likes;
>>> many in this forum are carried away either by clan-creed or envy of let him
>>> die attitude, which GUNA is spoken in our scriptures. Then wgu many in this
>>> society walk around as ashadabuthis?  No where in any part of the vedic
>>> scriptures Varna is defined as Jati by birth and the word Jati though
>>> existed in sanskrit was entwined by the British to play the political game
>>> which the dravidian parties today are adopting. When Krishna says "Four
>>> varnas are created by me" it meant that as if TATA telling that the
>>> profession in the steel industry waS CREATED BY ME; Just the work norm; if
>>> birth is the criteria then where is Valmiki and Vyasa ?; and this idiot
>>> also writes about the degradation of vyasa as chandala and yet calls
>>> himself as Brahmin from the texts arranged by him without shame. Age does
>>> not grant anything as Bhagavan Krishnar had said that even many yogis had
>>> fallen down from the higher levels who had to come back to this earth. But
>>> all must learn to practice rowthiram lest they lose the title elders to
>>> teach the posterity.  (part 1  contd)
>>>
>>> On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 11:03, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
>>> keyarinc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pranam
>>>> 1  Q    What the elephantine ignoramus does not know is that the 3rd
>>>> verse of the Brahma sooktham is a word-for-word reproduction of the last
>>>> four lines of T.B. 2.8.8.9 (sorry,* not T.B.2.8.8.2* as I earlier
>>>> inadvertently mistyped.)
>>>> KR    Let the "elephantine ignoramus capricious idiot detractor Sri "
>>>> NARAYANASAMY joker does not know is all the sukthams are only extracted
>>>> from the Vedas and I am not such to deny it; how ever when KR types BG it
>>>> is a grave crime which some other loose nosy tongued fellow also shouted
>>>> while the same mistake if committed by narayanaswamy is " I earlier
>>>> inadvertently mistyped".  Funny joker. Do you understand now? I am also
>>>> loudly making it clear to all those who are watching like Bhishma drona
>>>> kripa in the mahabharata watching the insult to pandavas at the end met the
>>>> fate for the crime. One who always tries to poke in it is not there, sits
>>>> silently; another does not open the mouth; another simply sys that thank
>>>> god I am not there; all are lders for this society!!. It is just to show
>>>> what an idiot can brag without substance.
>>>>       Does those 4 lines speak that brahmins are by birth or something
>>>> else?. Even now the elephantine ignoramus pretend it is so; because many in
>>>> this forum either are interested to know or even if attempting does not
>>>> know the meaning; and this all the time makes the old to brag as he likes;
>>>> many in this forum are carried away either by clan-creed or envy of let him
>>>> die attitude, which GUNA is spoken in our scriptures. Then wgu many in this
>>>> society walk around as ashadabuthis?  No where in any part of the vedic
>>>> scriptures Varna is defined as Jati by birth and the word Jati though
>>>> existed in sanskrit was entwined by the British to play the political game
>>>> which the dravidian parties today are adopting. When Krishna says "Four
>>>> varnas are created by me" it meant that as if TATA telling that the
>>>> profession in the steel industry waS CREATED BY ME; Just the work norm; if
>>>> birth is the criteria then where is Valmiki and Vyasa ?; and this idiot
>>>> also writes about the degradation of vyasa as chandala and yet calls
>>>> himself as Brahmin from the texts arranged by him without shame. Age does
>>>> not grant anything as Bhagavan Krishnar had said that even many yogis had
>>>> fallen down from the higher levels who had to come back to this earth. But
>>>> all must learn to practice rowthiram lest they lose the title elders to
>>>> teach the posterity.
>>>>        This is TB the relevant part: 2.8.8.8,9 & 10
>>>>
>>>> VERSE: 8 { 2.8.8.8} श्रद्धां मध्यंदिनं परि । श्रद्धाꣳ सूर्यस्य निम्रुचि
>>>> । श्रद्धे श्रद्धापय_इह मा । श्रद्धा देवान् अधिवस्ते । श्रद्धा विश्वम्
>>>> इदं जगत् । श्रद्धां { श्रद्धा} कामस्य मातरम् । हविषा वर्धयामसि ।
>>>> ब्रह्म जज्ञानं प्रथमं पुरस्तात् । वि सीमतः सुरुचो वेन आवः । स बुध्निया उपमा
>>>> अस्य विष्ठाः ।
>>>>
>>>> VERSE: 9 { 2.8.8.9} सतश् च योनिम् असतश् च विवः । पिता विराजाम् ऋषभो
>>>> रयीणाम् । अन्तरिक्षं विश्वरूप आविवेश । तम् अर्कैर् अभ्यर्चन्ति वह्स्áम्
>>>> । ब्रह्म सन्तं ब्रह्मणा वर्धयन्तः । ब्रह्म देवान् अजनयत् । ब्रह्म
>>>> विश्वम् इदं जगत् । ब्रह्मणः क्षत्रं निर्मितम् । ब्रह्म ब्राह्मण आत्मना । 
>>>> अन्तर्
>>>> अस्मिन्न् इमे लोकाः ।
>>>>
>>>> VERSE: 10 { 2.8.8.10} अन्तर् विश्वम् इदं जगत् । ब्रह्म_एव भूतानां
>>>> ज्येष्ठम् । तेन को ऽर्हति स्पर्धितुम् । ब्रह्मन् देवास् त्रयस्त्रिꣳशत्
>>>> । ब्रह्मन्न् इन्द्रप्रजापती । ब्रह्मन् ह विश्वा भूतानि । नावि_इव_अन्तः
>>>> समाहिता । चतस्र आशाः प्रचरन्त्व् अग्नयः । इमं नो यज्ञं नयतु प्रजानन् । घृतं
>>>> पिन्वन्न् अजरं सुवीरम् ।
>>>>
>>>>       2888 speaks of the creation done with the sraddha the
>>>> concentration; Brahma jagnanam prathamam purastat// Brahma the creator who
>>>> was ordained by the Brahmam taught him the vedas for the creation. The
>>>> mantras on Brahma the Hiranya garbha read with the performing the soma
>>>> yagnam as plainly translated by the west is attached below would indicate
>>>> thus reciting about the soma yajna where starting from Brahma till virgin
>>>> are sacrificed to the Brahman.Brahmin as per veda is one who does the
>>>> duties assigned to him and not bending the rules or flex the muscles.
>>>> Narayanaswamy had not answered why as a Brahmin did he cross the sea and
>>>> how did he carry the agni brought in his birth which should go till death
>>>> as AGNIHOTRAM was carried on on the flight or even by ship?. For those in
>>>> doubt deivathin kural may be referred to. So Brahmin is one who does the
>>>> qualified performance only hence only Valmiki the shudra and the Vyasa the
>>>> shudra we worship as Brahmins though by birth as Narayanaswamy himself says
>>>> so. It still has the inner meanings of yagna. But never ever it speaks of
>>>> BY BIRTH. It is not RK but every one is a brahmin, shatriya ,vysta and
>>>> shudra according to the acts performed and one who touches the satva guna
>>>> crossing the thamas, and Rajas , the knowledgeable alone becomes Brahmin;
>>>> one who knows the brahman bviz AHAM BRAHMASMI is the Brahmin; one who is
>>>> cat calling others especially RK and all those watching around silently are
>>>> never ever a brahmin satyam is missing WHICH IS THE PRIME QUALITY OF A
>>>> BRAHMIN  KR IRs 12121.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 09:13, Sithamalli Balasubramanian <
>>>> sithamal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This much bile is not necessary. It is just a meaningless debate.
>>>>> I am thankful that I am out of it all.
>>>>> Skb.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 06:23, Narayanaswamy Iyer <iyern...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear folks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Stormy laughter" capricious idiot Sri Rajaram Krishnamurthy insists
>>>>>> again and again that he is NOT a Braahmana by birth.  He is entitled to 
>>>>>> say
>>>>>> so, and I tend to agree with him.  His innate nature (guna) and his overt
>>>>>> actions (karma) only confirm this emphatic denial.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some time ago, I wrote the following (in another forum, now closed)
>>>>>> in response to a post by our frequent contributor Si Gopala Krishnan:-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *"With uncanny prescience distressed Pandava warrior Arjuna in the
>>>>>> Kurukshethra battlefield, before internecine fratricidal war starts,
>>>>>> appeals to Bhagavaan Lord Sri Krishna, according to Bhagavad Geetha I 40,
>>>>>> 41:-*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *kula-kshaye pranashyanthi kula-dharmaaa sanaathanaaha |*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *dharme nashte kulam kruthsnam adharmam abhibhavathyutha ||*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *adharmaabhibhavaath krishna radushyathi kula-sthriyaha |*
>>>>>> *shtreeshu dushtaasu vaarshneya jaayathe varnasamkaraha ||*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *"When a civilised enlightened community ceases to exist the vital
>>>>>> principles and rules of honourable and pious conduct of that
>>>>>> community (kula-dharmam) which have been handed down through countless
>>>>>> generations are destroyed;  when such principles and rules die, then the
>>>>>> entire community is enveloped in chaos and social disorder.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *"Oh Krishna born in the Vrishni tribe, because of and in the midst
>>>>>> of such chaos and disorder the females (kula-sthree) born into that
>>>>>> community become depraved, lose their discipline and virtue completely;
>>>>>> because of such depravity irredeemable and permanent miscegenations,
>>>>>> widespread illegitimacy and bastardy will prevail."*
>>>>>> *"In Manusmrithi the children born out of varna-samkaranam are called
>>>>>> chandaalas, especially where the female is of higher varna than the male.
>>>>>> Children born of a Braahmana father and a vaishya mother are called
>>>>>> nishaada or paarashava.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *"The father of 'Veda'-Vyaasa, illegitimate father of
>>>>>> Dhritharaashtra, Paandu, and Vidoora (of Mahaa-Bhaaratham fame) was a
>>>>>> nishaada/paarashava.  Vyaasa's mother Durganthi was born of a fish
>>>>>> impregnated by a gandharva passer-by, and was brought up by a 
>>>>>> fisherman."*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the present circumstances, if my detractor Sri Rajaram
>>>>>> Krishnamurthy chooses to abide by his credo that he is NOT a Brahmin by
>>>>>> birth, and elects to follow the Buddha's teaching that being born from a
>>>>>> Braahmana womb does not make the infant a Braahmana, then by a process of
>>>>>> elimination he is most likely a chandaala masquerading as a true
>>>>>> blue-blooded Braahmana.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My detractor gleefully gloats:-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *"He (meaning me)  asserted that what he quoted is fro Taitria
>>>>>> brahmana 2.8.8.2) There is none as it is in T B. What he had written is 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> 3rd verse of the Brahma Suktham "*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What the elephantine ignoramus does not know is that the 3rd verse of
>>>>>> the Brahma sooktham is a word-for-word reproduction of the last
>>>>>> four lines of T.B. 2.8.8.9 (sorry,* not T.B.2.8.8.2* as I earlier
>>>>>> inadvertently mistyped.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The same elephantine ignoramus also does not know that the Bhaagya
>>>>>> Sooktham is a word-for-word reproduction of the Yajur-veda Taittireeya
>>>>>> Braahmanam T.B. 2.8.9.7 (lines 4 - 10),T.B.2.8.9.8 to end of 
>>>>>> T.B.2.8.9.9."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The gleeful detractor is constrained to confess:-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *"Brahma Suktam is a Vedic hymn."  *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This meek mea culpa comes after denying that its fons et origo is
>>>>>> none other than the Yajur-veda Taittireeya Braahmanam as I had written!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> S Narayanaswamy Iyer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 10:26 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
>>>>>> keyarinc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pranam
>>>>>>>      I could not stormy laughter. There is a person in our group who
>>>>>>> is expert in Sanskrit and use to burst out if I write but watching out 
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> the fence. Jokers are every where and the Gopatha brahmana vadhyars are
>>>>>>> there as seen right in front. His ignorance is revealed day by day. 
>>>>>>> Nothing
>>>>>>> more to add; Treragni is followed with the agni-hotram, who are not
>>>>>>> supposed to cross the sea. In North India people (especially now in 
>>>>>>> Bhopal)
>>>>>>> people call it as agni- hotram and I do not mean it. Some where else he
>>>>>>> confuses the brahma and the brahmin and asserted that what he quoted is 
>>>>>>> fro
>>>>>>> Taitriya brahmana 2.8.8.2) There is none as it is in T B. What he had
>>>>>>> written is the 3rd verse of the Brahma Suktham; it is not about brahmin 
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> about creation undertaken by Brahma or origin of Hiranya Garba. Those 
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> knew Sanskrit can get the meaning or even write about it. Brahma
>>>>>>> Suktam is a Vedic hymn that is chanted in praise of Lord Brahma, the
>>>>>>> creator of the universe in Hindu mythology. It is often chanted along 
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> Oushadi Suktam (sacred hymn for healing, good health, and redemption) as
>>>>>>> Prayaschitham, meaning redemption or relief from past and future sins.
>>>>>>> Brahma Suktam is mainly chanted for gaining knowledge from Brahma, the
>>>>>>> creator of Vedas or sacred texts. Chanting or listening to this sacred 
>>>>>>> hymn
>>>>>>> can help cleanse one’s self of internal impurities and sins.  Let him 
>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>> Thank you K R IRS 11121
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 at 17:35, Narayanaswamy Iyer <iyern...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear folks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The demented cat on hot bricks pitifully mews unintelligible
>>>>>>>> gibberish in desperation at being totally exposed in his lack of
>>>>>>>> intelligence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not surprisingly, he has concocted a "Purusha Medham" to give
>>>>>>>> expression to his weird imaginings and his flights of fancy over the
>>>>>>>> cuckoo's nest.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *"**As Ashva medha there is one Purusha medha,"  *solemnly intones
>>>>>>>> the atheist, who (along with his invisible mentor Ambedkar)  draws his
>>>>>>>> inspiration from the Buddhists who not only reject all our
>>>>>>>> scriptures and our divinities, but also deny that any legitimate birth
>>>>>>>> given by a Braahmana woman is NOT a Braahmana infant.   By
>>>>>>>> necessary implication therefore, all he does is put on permanent 
>>>>>>>> record,
>>>>>>>> publish and broadcast *his own personal illegitimacy*, whether he
>>>>>>>> realises this or not!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He tries to obfuscate the issue by claiming that, "The quoted (by
>>>>>>>> him only) purusha medha simply......" does not say that brahmin is by
>>>>>>>> birth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, well!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He is not averse to dragging our revered Divinity of Learning
>>>>>>>> Goddess Sarasvathi into the affray and trying to highjack our boundless
>>>>>>>> adoration of Her as his unsubpoenaed and unwiling witness to his 
>>>>>>>> untruth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The embarrassing (to him) fact is, the last verse of the popular
>>>>>>>> Sarasvathi ashtakam is:-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "chathur-mukhasya jaayaa yaa
>>>>>>>> chathur-veda svaroopini
>>>>>>>> chathur bhuja cha saa vyovyaath
>>>>>>>> *chathur varga sarasvathi."*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The last line emphasises that the Goddess is the divinity of all
>>>>>>>> the four varnas without distinction.  It recalls the first line of the
>>>>>>>> second verse of the ashtakam which is:-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *"varna samstaanga roopaaya"*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Finally, he asks (rhetorically?):-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Is theer any one who does the agnihotram?"  (His own misspelling)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, there is, my dear befuddled insane asylum resident and master
>>>>>>>> of misrepresentation.  If you were not incurably blind and deaf to my
>>>>>>>> earlier postings, you would and could have noticed that I for one 
>>>>>>>> perform
>>>>>>>> agnihothrams regularly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So much so that you became unreasonably irritated and publicly
>>>>>>>> castigated "All vaadhyars" and even insulted Brahmarishi  Vasishta.
>>>>>>>> Remember your 13 December 2020 rant:-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *"All vadhyars who assemble as Veda cultured only to represent the
>>>>>>>> BRAHMA, as Purohit to do the task on behalf of the ejaman whether Kamya
>>>>>>>> karya or not; no vadhyar has any power even if Vasishta."*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some swell-headed turbaned individuals in our midst strut about
>>>>>>>> like fairyland emperors, not realising that they have no clothes on, 
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> even  a kaupeenam.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The poor pachyderm-skinned souls deserve our pity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> S Narayanaswamy Iyer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 1:56 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
>>>>>>>> keyarinc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Very interesting! Not even showing the husk leave alone the tip of
>>>>>>>>> the paddy. Bamboozling words of credits to me thank the aviveka. 
>>>>>>>>> avowed
>>>>>>>>> taxman prostrating toy disciple. Any one can sense anything?.
>>>>>>>>> Well he never did anything so for in getting that evidence. Anyone 
>>>>>>>>> who can
>>>>>>>>> know his words may state the pros and cons over the quote of Purusha 
>>>>>>>>> medha.
>>>>>>>>> As Ashva medha there is one Purusha medha; sacrifice is a word in
>>>>>>>>> English rendering a wrong comprehension. All know only one thing for
>>>>>>>>> sacrifice. It is not exactly meant as English meaning sacrifice; it is
>>>>>>>>> yagnam; medha is intelligence attributed to Saraswathi; there is one 
>>>>>>>>> Medha
>>>>>>>>> suktam attributed to Saraswathi. Ashva, Purusha medha are all yagnam.
>>>>>>>>> Yagnam is a kind of work defined. The quoted purusha medha simply 
>>>>>>>>> says a
>>>>>>>>> long list read with Shatapatha brahamana 13.6.2, stressing each do 
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> work assigned to you and the list goes broadened. It does not say that
>>>>>>>>> brahmin is by birth.
>>>>>>>>> Alabhate is the root word; who is a brahmin?; one who knows the
>>>>>>>>> Brahman is a Brahmin; so let brahmin keep in line with the Brahman;
>>>>>>>>> kshatriya let him stay with the govt functions;  "  *THE
>>>>>>>>> (SYMBOLICAL) VICTIMS OF THE PURUSHAMEDHA .*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I. 1. To the priesthood (he consecrates) a Brâhma*n*a--2. To the
>>>>>>>>> nobility a Kshatriya--3. To the Maruts a Vai*s*ya--4. To penance
>>>>>>>>> (hardship, tapas) a *S*idra--5. To darkness a thief--6. To hell a
>>>>>>>>> man-slayer--7. To evil a eunuch--8. To barter an unchaste woman
>>>>>>>>> (ayobhû )--9. To desire a harlot (pu*msk*alû)--10. To the shriek
>>>>>>>>> (atikrush*t*a) a minstrel (mâgadha)--11. To dancing a herald
>>>>>>>>> (bard, sûta)--12. To singing an actor (*s*ailûsha)--13. To the
>>>>>>>>> law a counsellor (sabhâ*k*ara)--14. To joking a timorous man--15.
>>>>>>>>> To fun (narma) a chatterer--16. To laughter (hasa) an artizan (kâri,?
>>>>>>>>> singer of praises)--17. To pleasure (ânanda) a woman's friend--18. To
>>>>>>>>> enjoyment a maiden's son--19. To skill a wheelwright--20. To 
>>>>>>>>> perseverance a
>>>>>>>>> carpenter--21. To heat (tapas) a potter--22. To craft a mechanic--23. 
>>>>>>>>> To
>>>>>>>>> handsome form a jeweller--24. To beauty a barber 3
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/sbr/sbe44/sbe44111.htm#fn_1074>--25.
>>>>>>>>> To the arrow-shot an arrow-maker--26. To the weapon a bow-maker--27. 
>>>>>>>>> To
>>>>>>>>> work a bowstring-maker--28. To fate a rope-maker--29. To death a
>>>>>>>>> huntsman--30. To the end (antaka) a dog-keeper--31. To rivers a 
>>>>>>>>> fisherman
>>>>>>>>> (pau*ñg*ish*th*a)--32. To the ogress (of waste lands) a  Nishâda --33.
>>>>>>>>> To the man-tiger (? werwolf) a mono-maniac--34. To the Gandharvas and
>>>>>>>>> Apsaras a roving outcast (vrâtya)--35. To the teams (? prayu*g*)
>>>>>>>>> a madman--36. To serpents and demons a blockhead (? apratipad)--37. 
>>>>>>>>> To dice
>>>>>>>>> a gambler--38. To impassibility 2
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/sbr/sbe44/sbe44111.htm#fn_1076> a
>>>>>>>>> non-gambler--39. To the devils (pi*s*â*k*as) a female cane-worker
>>>>>>>>> (basket-maker)--40. To the hobgoblins (yâtudhâna) a female worker in
>>>>>>>>> thorns--41. To intercourse a gallant--42. To the house a 
>>>>>>>>> paramour--43. To
>>>>>>>>> trouble an unmarried elder brother whose younger brother is 
>>>>>>>>> married--44. To
>>>>>>>>> calamity a younger brother married before his elder brother--45. To 
>>>>>>>>> failure
>>>>>>>>> 3
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/sbr/sbe44/sbe44111.htm#fn_1077> the
>>>>>>>>> husband of a younger sister whose elder sister is unmarried--46. To
>>>>>>>>> reparation an artiste in embroidery--47. To agreement a female 
>>>>>>>>> practiser of
>>>>>>>>> love-spells--48. To garrulity (prakâmodya) an attendant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The list run so. who is who is the list. It is not just the
>>>>>>>>> Taitriya Samhita alone but runs into satapataha , maha narayana and 
>>>>>>>>> so on.
>>>>>>>>> Sir pl dont waste time especially yours. Gopatha Brahmana says(2.13) 
>>>>>>>>> नाना
>>>>>>>>> प्रवचनानि ह व एतानि भुतानि भवन्ति ये चौवसोमपम्  याजयन्ति ये च
>>>>>>>>> सुरापम् ये च विच्छिन्नम् ब्राह्मनम्सोमयाजिनम् याजयन्ति॥ गो  ब्र  २  
>>>>>>>>> १३ Those
>>>>>>>>> persons becomes the targets of censure who for the performance of 
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> yagnas engage such priests who are not worthy of partaking soma or who
>>>>>>>>> resort to drinking wine or who are discarded from the vedic lore
>>>>>>>>> (tradition). What dies it show? A priest who is a brahmin even in 
>>>>>>>>> that era
>>>>>>>>> long ago were not considered brahmin even by birth. Purusha medha 
>>>>>>>>> says just
>>>>>>>>> that. The same brahamana 2.23 says that A Brahmana who has not kept
>>>>>>>>> ahavaniya agni at his house is not regarded worthy of receiving or
>>>>>>>>> extending his blessings dhanam etc or procuring the fruits of deeds 
>>>>>>>>> studies
>>>>>>>>> etc performed by him during the earlier births or earlier period of 
>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>> life. Some time back Mr Sithamalli was talking about Pururavus 
>>>>>>>>> carrying
>>>>>>>>> agbi to Gandhara ; that wa sreally where agni was given to him he 
>>>>>>>>> made it
>>>>>>>>> into three and carried out; that is termed as TRERAGNI FOR A BRAHMIN;
>>>>>>>>> birth, life and death are attached by agni to a brahmin. Is theer any 
>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> who does the agnihotram?. So it is not the tax officer who says so; 
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> ancestors said so. K R IRS 11121
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 at 06:51, Narayanaswamy Subramanian <
>>>>>>>>> s_narayanasw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear folks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My favourite obstreperous maverick and jejune genius, the
>>>>>>>>>> all-knowing all-being  Sri Rajaram Krishnamurthy I.R.S., once openly
>>>>>>>>>> challenged me to quote the Vedic authority which declares 
>>>>>>>>>> unconditionally
>>>>>>>>>> that the Braahmanas are so by birth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> His very own ungrammatical and combative words on 23 Oct 2020:-
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  *"If NS can show me with the evidence form the sacred vedam
>>>>>>>>>> that brahmin is by birth only well lets why let me become his 
>>>>>>>>>> disciple."*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> His own rock-hard illusion and delusion was that Lord Sree
>>>>>>>>>> Krishna in the Bhagavath-Geetha denied so.  His touted source:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *chathurvarnam mayaasrushtam gunakarmavibhaaga shah: |*
>>>>>>>>>> *thasya karththaaramapi maam viddhyakarththaara mavyayam ||*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (Bhagavath-Geetha Cap IV v 13)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The maverick-genius translated this minute extract from the
>>>>>>>>>> miniscule (700 slokams) of the ithihaasa puraanam Mahaa-Bhaaratham as
>>>>>>>>>> incontrovetibly asserting for all time and for all seasons that ONLY 
>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>> innate nature (gunam) and overt acts (karmam) are Braahmanas 
>>>>>>>>>> identifiable.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He chose deliberately to overlook and totally ignore the hidden
>>>>>>>>>> pre-requisite that these two characteristic features are ADDITIONAL 
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> birth, and not substitutes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Certainly, I could have matched him, Puraanam to Puraanam, by
>>>>>>>>>> quoting Sree Lalitha sahasra-naamam from Brahmaanda Puraanam:-
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *varnaashrama vidhaayinye namaha*(naama no. 286).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> However, since he wanted "evidence form the sacred vedam" I
>>>>>>>>>> quoted to him the Purusha Sooktham which clearly declares with
>>>>>>>>>> unquestionable authority that Braahmanas were created from the 
>>>>>>>>>> "mukham" of
>>>>>>>>>> the virad Purusha (and continued their uninterrupted descent from 
>>>>>>>>>> there to
>>>>>>>>>> the present day).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Since I did not trust the chameleon in human skin, nor was I
>>>>>>>>>> convinced of his integrity, I declined to accept the awowed taxman
>>>>>>>>>> prostrating toy disciple.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Far from prostrating to and venerating the infallibility of our
>>>>>>>>>> sacred vedams, he appeared (and still appears) to side with the 
>>>>>>>>>> atheist
>>>>>>>>>> dissenting Buddhists whose founder pontificated that shoodra
>>>>>>>>>> vaana-prasthaas were braahmanas and those born from Braahmana wombs 
>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>> not:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> pamsukooladharam jantum kisam damanisanthatam
>>>>>>>>>> ekam vanasmim jhaayantham tam aham broomi braahmanam (Dhammapada
>>>>>>>>>> v 395)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> na cha aham braahmanam broooni yonijam mattisambhavam
>>>>>>>>>> bhoovadi naama so hoti sa che hoti sakinchano
>>>>>>>>>> akinchanam anaadaanam tam aham broomi braahmanam (Dhammapada v
>>>>>>>>>> 396)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The maverick-genius has little if any acquaintance with, much
>>>>>>>>>> less knowledge, of our Yajur-vedam.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, he is obviously unconscious of the Taittireeya Braahmanam
>>>>>>>>>> which further reinforces and supports what already appears in the 
>>>>>>>>>> Purusha
>>>>>>>>>> sooktham:-
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *brahmane braahmanamaalabhathe |*
>>>>>>>>>> *kshathraaya raajanyam |*
>>>>>>>>>> *marudbhyo vaishyam |*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (Yajurveda Taittireeya Braahmanam "Purusha medhaha" - T.B.
>>>>>>>>>> 3.4.1.1.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The above should hopefully put to rest any illegitimate doubts or
>>>>>>>>>> misgivings implanted or aroused by the thoughtless peregrinations of 
>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>> unprincipled adventurer into our sacred scriptures and traditions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Namaskaarams to elders.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> S Narayanaswamy Iyer
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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