Respected Mr Rajaram Sir
I have received your response regarding Gaya srardha inbox and spam Thank you
my reply is articulated
Sir, Kindly avoid using bad words on others. I have written many times to you
personally.
Sir, I agree fully what I have written. No sradham to Pithru is required after
Gaya sraardha. Now also I clarified the same. One can perform srardha to jnatha
Anjatha pithrus.
I agree I performed srardham once after completing my new house after Gaya
sradha on certain compulsions.
Sasthrikal nodded head, he would perform srardha to Jnatha Anjatha pithrus.
But he started normal way. I kept quiet during pithruvaranam. Jnatha Anjatha
pithrus I recited. Always I kept in mind jnatha Anjatha pithrus. Can I
quarrel with a sasthrikal at that moment?
Certain things he forgot, as if the srardha was not necessary. I can write
them in confidential mails only.
Coming to my discussion with TRS Iyengar, I put the query Yahoo questions. He
answered. So I continued. This satisfy your question- Why did I went to him for
answer?
After many of our discussions he desired to put as QA in his web page. He
wanted me to prepare . Where ever required he modified and added. Since it is
a publication of Sri Vaishnavam practices and he is the web owner.
Since you asked - there are lot of difference and concepts between North and
south, even between Kerala and Tamilnadu among iyers and Brahmins though Veda
is the same
Sir - There is a lot of difference with our thinking as we grow. What I knew in
2006 need not be the same in 2021. There could be changes and modifications.
I have not blamed MR TRS anywhere. I have said he is a sasthrikals. Please
understand how a sasthrikal can be in society.
I have not held some one in high esteem and later thrown away. You can quote
if any. You may write in detail. With all members I have respect.
I write in my style. There is button spam and another delete for those who do
not like my postings.
Once again I request you. Write as per your retired IRS status. Do not scold
others. Ignore anybody addressing and wounding you. You are from Tamilnadu.
There is a saying- Irukai Osai. One hand produce noise by clapping I am sending
copies to all groups and some membersSincerely,Gopala Krishnan.
On Monday, 17 May, 2021, 10:36:58 am IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy
<[email protected]> wrote:
Pranam G's articulated write up made me reply. Leave Narayanasamy a
useless urchin though aged having no stuff except the words of abuseses. G did
write that AFTER THE GAYA SRARDHAM AS PITHRUS GO TO SWARGAM OR MOKSHAM FURTHER
SRARDHAMS ARE NOT REQUIRED; DID HE OR NOT?; I CAN REPRODUCE HIS WRITE UP; ALSO
ALREADY i DID ONCE; again what kind of enmity I can have with G whose face is
unknown to me?. As elders if age is an experience, shall pass their equitable
knowledge to the posterity with ease and sustaining the truth. Srardham is not
sending the ancestors to swarga or Moksham; there is no swargam or narakam etc;
upanishads do speak of south and north travel after death. More than all
these, it is remembering our ancestor as a mode of worship; and whether one
does it or not, Rituals are performed or not, samskaras are carried out or not
Mukthi is a different concept. Hence only B G ( I had written it long ago) said
those who worship small Gods or deni-gods reach results of those and come back;
those who worship the pitrus are reborn in good stead; those who worship buta
pisachas get that kinds of births only; those who surrender to me in whole
unison with my thinking alone reach me which is one ina million; even the best
yogis are reborn after some good fruits at certain spots; so doing srardham is
to make yourself good as well as keeping up the society with the welfare; Doing
Pujas and uttering mantras are for the concentration and mind control; reciting
Vedas and attaining the knowledge is to elevate the mind and search FOR
THYSELF; answering WHO AM I?; hence only swadharma follow up is advocated; a
christian if his travel path is righteous he goes only in the path of BG
without doing any srardham or Puja ; but he has his style of srardham day, and
he has his own puja style; a muslim if he is righteous has his own srardham and
puja swa dharma; as a parsi why even as an atheist. In short, be good.
Mazhithalum Neettalum vendavvam yakkaikku ulagam pazhithadhu ozhithuvidin;
meaning that stand by the right behaviours which the vedic truth advocates and
you need not shave your head or grow beard for samskaras; righteousness does
not reach one over night; one has to gain the knowledge as one learns
Engineering to be in BSNL or law in Income Tax or Military strategy in the
Army; so when one grows to 76 or 95 or just 6 what is he qualitatively is the
growth; our literatures in entirety contains all the models of teaching and
stories than any west in the web site has ; and the druva was older than his
father more aged means it is not the age in calender makes one a man but the
quality; if one does not care but always rebuts without the understanding and
has sidelined oneself with the KOOD-NATPU(unwanted friendship) loss is not
anyone else but to SELF. Nandrum theethum pirar thara vaara. Also Vedam is
universal; dictum does not distinguish between iyer kerala iyer ,Punjab iyer or
iyengar vadakalai thenkalai etc etc . How can Rama be for Iyer and iyengar
separate?; how the air and other byutas can differentiate between iyer kerala
and iyengar?. People living in the geo centered places was provided by the
nature itself to live, to raise by a profession, to feed by the food of that
area and to use flowers flora and fauna of that area which were codified as
dharna sutras or living rules which were if wrongly adopted by other geo
centered people confirming only that is correct-who is the fool?. Dharma is one
truth is one God is one but the learned adopted it only as such but the day to
day living was altered according to the needs but never ever the central line
of code. If TRS is a vaishnava and you are a kerala iyer why did you go to
him?. And you spoke to him with such VINAYAM and later threw him off as
Iyengar and a bad guru means WHAT ARE YOU?. nOT ONLY HERE ;YOU HAVE DONE SUCH
WRITE UP IN YOUR CAREER WITH OTHERS ALSO PROUDLY DISCLOSING WHO YOU ARE. aND
DID THE SAME ACT OF THROWING OFF AND CALLING THEM AS USELESS. You are 76 sir
and he iS 95; what is my loss if my mother is a prostitute as NARAYANASAMY
WRITES AND sai IS WATCHING OVER (IS HE RELATED TO HIM?) I do what I am taught
and lead a life of elevating myself as for as possible with the vedas. In that
process when I read a lot of the west write up I found our cult was destroyed.
And more knowledge showed me we have everything right from modern science to
life -chord, here but every one of us is destroyed by the education we had but
90% refused to turn up out of the attired characters till then. That is the
truth. Why a man at singapore 95 who knew some tatriya and practiced for money
as vadhyar also for some time shall not understand to teach taittiriya samhita
elaborately but in a line or two bamboozled iditic phrase and quoted always the
Tennysons because even at 95 he did not grow beyond but pretended to be the
markar to his henchmen. WHO IS AFRAID OF THE VIRGINIA WOLF is as good as
telling words of sisupala does not hurt Krishna. And G sails in the same boat
with hypocrisy. Many write and one reads; but what was the content and its
truth shall unfold many questions; and such shall make one think;unlike 5
topics from various web sites and a decade back old stuff; I meant only that; I
had reproduced many write ups of our own members who felt whether it is
sensible; good writers doubts themselves; but having lifted up to fill pages in
different lines which is the worst COPY AND PASTE, also call the kettle black
as copy and paste; ALSO VEILS WHO READS INTANTTRUMS; IS IT AT 76?. Mr
Venkata Giri on cauvery presented Cauvery and you the Ganga and Yamuna as
dwarapalaka architectural from 4 AD as lifted from Quora; had you spend some
more time you would have asked yourself then what the hell is Gangotri
Yamunotri and Adi Sankata Mutts etc; Unaware you present a copied fact of
dwarapalaka in Temples; even one who is proud of Kerala had u asked how Keral
temples look like, may be you had an answer; In 2018 One M Krishna kumari wrote
a book Iconography of Ganga and Yamuna (and you write as north Jamuna) and the
youth in Quora followed it up as dwarapalaka architecture as deduced by M
Krishna Kumari. You simply reproduced it. Stone structures of Ganga mata and
Yamuna matha existed even at the time of the Buddaha as found in their texts;
Ganga was depicted in architectures even before; Kerala temple styles were
different in the beginning; later dwarapalaka concepts came in from the
neighborhood. Rig Veda speaks of Ganga Yamuna Saraswati . As elders we have
to submit the truth to the society egoless. If you send mine to spam I am not
the loser; I sent to spam Narayanasamy as there is no content ; aservada
pumsavana childbirth aseervatham and tathastu mantras are rituals of half
learned vadyars; that has no content is already in spam even when generated.
Sit calmly and think and if you wish a change is inevitable. You are able to
think and so think carefully. And ideas shall emanate from only when one
reads since the mind prompts the storage, which means that it was already in
store; what we want to say we type; what we want to quote we typed in 70s; but
now available in the net akshaya patra; so once we know what we want we know
where to search; and copy and paste is not filling the pages but this copy and
paste is giving out the truth, saving the time; when someone speaks about west
pronouncement of the perception it flashes into me the perception as described
in our ethics B G and since I had done my article on that gets it back; i use
the web for the Geetha; orelse I can also type the sanskrit and copy and paste
my own also!. many upanishads I had typed and pasted too. So I am not
jibing at any one and I do not have any ego. I do not boast about anything
unless some occasion arose. For example when Mr TNCR wrote about his friend at
Teppakulam st TVL, i remembered my father in law and my tenure there. When am
ember asked from where I said from my prize books as i have a lot of them given
to me for my academics in 50s and 70s. And if its in the net I copy and paste
or else I shall type. COPY and paste like your alone is to be developed
further. It is harsh sir but you have to consume it or send it to BIN as your
choice. Personally as Narayanasamy unknown I have no grudge not only you but
with any one. Have a nice day KR IRS 17521
On Sun, 16 May 2021 at 19:01, 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty
<[email protected]> wrote:
GAYA SRARDHA – REG
Dear friends,
I have read the full link given by Sri Rajaram IRS which isa question answer
between me and TRS Iyengar who is a sastrikal in Mattunga andowning a website
during2007 or so, forwardedto me by SriNarayanaswamy.
The part regarding Gaya srardha I reproduce below.
In your one earlier query I had clarified already the followingpoints which I
may add here too for the benefit of visitors:
1.Gaya sraadha is equivalent to performing 60 annual sraadhas.
2.After Gaya sraadha, conducting sraadha should not be discontinued. Continuing
sraadha will surely feed Jnatha Anjathapithrus
If our pithrus have gone to their destinations. It addsto punniabalam.
Thereare even persons perform sraadhafor Jnatha anjatha pithrus too for
punniam.
Ihope this reply is elaborate as you desired.
Some important QA from the link I reproduce below:-
Q7. Sir Do our pithru reachswarga?
A7. Why doubt? The ultimatedestination being Kailasam aka Paramapadam, the
souls wander from one location to other, depending on theirmerits and punya
bhalam. They reach their destinations by varioussteps; pithrulokam, devalokam,
etc. The actual paramapatham, Srivaikuntham or kailasam are one and the same
as per the philosophical readings.
Q14. Sir, I know there aredifferent types of sraadhas. There is Atma pinda
sraadha with special manthratoo. My question sir, who are advised to perform
Jala srradha and Hiranyasraadha?
A14.Hiranaya sraadha I have already replied. However I will give one more
clarification andexpress the srardha niyama as explained by my distant cousin,
late Sri Mukkur Lakshminarasimhachariar, (who was very popular for his divine
writings in manyperiodicals, very specifically for an article series in Kalki
“Kurai Onrum IlRlaiGovinda”) has given some hints on the Srardha procedures.
Heeven wrote an article in one of the KalkiDeepavalisupplement and I give the
contents here below for the readers to take a note. The Srardha niyama in
threedifferent types with each having values on Uthama, Madhima & Athama paksha
Sincerely,
GopalaKrishnan 16-5-2021
Respected Sri Rajaram IRS
Withat most respect you I am writing the following:-
Ihad written in my posting Divineinformation part 7 one can perform srardha on
the thithi day invoking only jnatha Anjatha pithrus.If sasthrikal recite
manthra invoking only jnatha Anjatha pithrus, one can performsrardha
withoutpithruvaranam.
Regardingdifferent types of srardhas, he is referring to his cousin’s book of
different type of practices inSriVaishanvam. You just see the
titleSrivaishnavam practices in web page.
AnIyengar worship only in Sri Vishnu temples (exemptions are there).
Theirpractices are different from ours.
Hehas told in a correspondence to me if pithruvaram is done, with hesitation
our pithru comesfrom Devaloka, accept the offerings and give to Jnatha Anjatha
pithrus.
Youcan correspond with TRS iyengar and ask whether he has written to me so. I
lost old files. Or elseI could have produced.
Kindlyread my postings fully. Aboveall he is a sasthrikal. He is not the
ultimate authority. He know fewthings which he replied. Another sasthrikal may
have different view.
Kindlynote- It is Sri Vaishnavam practices.
Whatis quoted from his cousin is not his view. Hiranya sradham goes to the
lowestcategory. Now not having Brahmins even for Hiranya sradham is the case
inKerala.
You can discuss this point with SriVenkat Raman also.He was
invitingNampoothiries for srardha. Later they stopped coming. However he has
performed Gaya srardha.
AmongTamil Brahmins the practices are different. Among Kerala iyers there
arevariations since they settled in Kerala long back.
Oncebefore performing Gayasrardha, my sasthrikal brought two Brahmins for
asrardha. One was a KeralaMoothathu talking in Malayalam. Without asking
sasthrikal said- it is very difficult to get iyers for sradha.
Ihave only one point to request you. You write anything you like as your
postings.
I mark your mails to spam after yourwriting to me- Donot write anything based
on my responses. What is the benefit of reading your responsesif I cannot use
it? I canalso write in similar lines. But I do not. As per my
understandinganybody can respond based on another’s posting. It is a world of
internet.
GopalaKrishnan 16-5-2021
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