Pranam OK sir. We made ourselves clear. Sridharan ji poem has in depth meaning KR. IRS. 16522
On Mon, May 16, 2022, 18:41 Markendeya Yeddanapudi < [email protected]> wrote: > Sir, > My responses to you are respectful because of my awe at your mastery of so > many fields.No other feeling at any time.I have not read many books.That is > a fact. > YM > > On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 2:47 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Pranam >> Sorry sir; I am misunderstood. I never ACCUSED YOU OR EVEN ATTRIBUTED >> ANYTHING AS YOU WROTE. You wanted brief and without Sanskrit; and as you do >> Telegu some times to enforce the attention, so too, all times , I quote my >> ancestors of India, to authenticate, hence in Sanskrit and Romanised >> Sanskrit with the meaning; so that, what you have written under the >> protection of the nature, at times from Carl Sagan etc, and several quotes >> from the nets which is the west reproductions, led me think that , it is >> time for the people to know, read, understand, learn or try to focus, WHAT >> IS THERE HERE; it is not a mantra merely; it has in-depth meaning; what we >> are thinking today, was once a thought emanating from the ancestors. who >> lived at least 10000 years ago; your worries were already thought over and >> answered. That I am presenting for all to read , if they have health and >> time; some may read English; some roman-sanskrit; some even the Sanskrit; >> that which I write in 2 parts; (1) ancestors say here , all are derivative >> of mathematics and convertible in terms of Maths ; you feel it is not; now >> original thoughts get shaped up by sifting the facts. And (2) I have a >> fact that there is no thought without any cause of action; that action is >> experience or palm leaves or teachings or even hearsay like that. Without >> knowing one thing as TREE , one cannot write it as tree; and unless there >> is a vision or perspective angle -one cannot think. Even for a swayambu, >> that article must exist there before; there is neither cause without action >> and vice-versa. Hence people born here, unaware of what we have, seek >> something from outside, unaware of the meaning and the source of that >> matter; there as far as what I know I try to show the existence earlier >> here; long because, it must be understood. Brief is not understood by all >> equally. Thank u KR IRS 16522 >> >> On Mon, 16 May 2022 at 12:40, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thank you.You credit me with reading books from the west.The truth is I >>> neither read the books of the west nor the east.I write on my own.I am the >>> most unread person in the forum. >>> YM >>> >>> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 10:37 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Pranam >>>> Sanskrit blend is needed for you people who only read west and do not >>>> try to know what we have. If you can learn French and German , learning a >>>> language is not tough. Also what Carl Sagan had written today is a master >>>> photo print of the ancient knowledge ,without which, people go aghast on >>>> Carl Sagan, It is not depreciating the west. But without appreciation of >>>> our parents , appreciating the neobor I opine as a crime. I write only like >>>> that to say that there is nothing we do not have but we stubbornly refuse >>>> to learn it but want the land to do a lot for those. If you feel otherwise >>>> I am sorry but truth is bitter. People who cannot understand Arabiindo and >>>> Dayananda and so many , I WONDER, how they so easily can follow sagan and >>>> the rest?. I crave your pardon again but if you follow my thoughts, for >>>> every western action I react to, our standards existed at least 10000 years >>>> back. Kashmir files last 10 minutes of dialogue. Our texts are not >>>> religious dust byr scientific way of life laid on a platter long long ago >>>> which others may turn their neck, but not us. KR IRS 16522 >>>> >>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 at 10:00, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sir, >>>>> Thank you very much.Can I request for very simple sentences without >>>>> the Sanskrit blend >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 9:40 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Pranam >>>>>> The adaptability of cost ,profit, Mathematics are all placed >>>>>> in one flow ,aspiring from one angle, based on certain individual >>>>>> definitions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Maths >>>>>> >>>>>> Upapatti and "Proof" >>>>>> >>>>>> In the introduction to the section on spherics (Golādhyāya) of his >>>>>> treatise Siddhāntaśiromaõi, Bhāskarācārya II explains the central purpose >>>>>> behind his exposition of upapattis: >>>>>> >>>>>> मद्यध्याम् धुसधाम् यदत्र गनिथम् छ योपपतिम्विन >>>>>> >>>>>> प्रोउदेएम् प्रोउद सभसु नोउति गनको निस्सम्सयो निस्वयम् >>>>>> >>>>>> गोले सा विमला करामलकवथ् प्रत्यसथो स्रुयते >>>>>> >>>>>> समध्यम् युपपति बोध्यवितये गोलप्रबन्ध्योथ: >>>>>> >>>>>> Without the knowledge of upapattis, by merely mastering the >>>>>> calculations (gaõita) described here, from the madhyamādhikāra (the >>>>>> first >>>>>> chapter of Siddhāntaśiromaõi) onwards, of the [motion of the] heavenly >>>>>> bodies, a mathematician will not be respected in the scholarly >>>>>> assemblies; >>>>>> without the upapattis he himself will not be free of doubt (niÜsa§śaya). >>>>>> Since upapatti is clearly perceivable in the (armillary) sphere like a >>>>>> berry in the hand, I therefore begin the Golādhyāya (section on >>>>>> spherics) >>>>>> to explain the upapattis. >>>>>> >>>>>> The same is echoed by the Gaõeśa Daivajña in his famous commentary >>>>>> Buddhivilāsinī (c.1540) on Bhāskarācārya’s Līlāvatī: >>>>>> >>>>>> Without upapatti, whatever is stated in vyakta-gaõita (mathematics >>>>>> dealing with manifest quantities – arithmetic and geometry) or >>>>>> avyakta-gaõita (mathematics dealing with un-manifest quantities – >>>>>> algebra), will not be rendered free from confusion (nirbhrānta); nor will >>>>>> it have any value in an assembly of mathematicians. Upapatti is indeed >>>>>> directly and pleasantly perceivable like a mirror in hand. It is >>>>>> therefore, >>>>>> as also for the elevation of the intellect, that I proceed to enunciate >>>>>> upapattis in entirety. Thus, the notion of upapatti seems to be >>>>>> significantly different from the notion of "proof" as understood in the >>>>>> Greco-European tradition of mathematics. According to the Indian >>>>>> mathematical texts, the purpose of upapatti is mainly: (i) to remove >>>>>> confusion and doubts regarding the validity and interpretation of >>>>>> mathematical results and procedures; and, (ii) to obtain assent in the >>>>>> community of mathematicians. This is very different from the ideal of >>>>>> "proof" in the Greco-European tradition which is to irrefutably establish >>>>>> the absolute truth of a mathematical proposition. Further, in the >>>>>> Indian tradition, mathematical knowledge is not taken to be different in >>>>>> any fundamental sense from that in natural sciences. In fact, valid >>>>>> means for acquiring and validating mathematical knowledge are the same as >>>>>> in other sciences: Pratyakùa (perception), Anumāna (inference), Śabda or >>>>>> Agama (authentic text or tradition). >>>>>> >>>>>> However, there are no instances where Indian mathematicians >>>>>> use the method of indirect proof to establish the existence of an entity, >>>>>> the existence of which is not demonstrable (even in principle) by other >>>>>> (direct) means of verification. In this sense, the Indian >>>>>> mathematical tradition may be seen as adopting what is nowadays referred >>>>>> to >>>>>> as the "constructivist" approach to the issue of mathematical existence. >>>>>> It is important to note that this significant feature of Indian >>>>>> mathematical tradition is closely related to the world-view of the >>>>>> Naiyāyikas or Indian logicians, who do not accord tarka (or the method of >>>>>> indirect proof) the status of an independent source of valid knowledge >>>>>> (pramāõa). Indeed the general philosophical approach of Indian >>>>>> logicians is one of eliminating from logical discourse all reference to >>>>>> such aprasiddha or un-instantiated entities, whose existence is not even >>>>>> in >>>>>> principle accessible to direct means of verification. In fact, the >>>>>> Naiyāyikas would even reconcile to live with contradictions rather than >>>>>> allow the use of such aprasiddha entities in their logical discourse. >>>>>> This is brought out very clearly by Matilal by citing an important >>>>>> passage >>>>>> from Ātmatattvaviveka of Udayanācārya (c. 10th century) which deals with >>>>>> an >>>>>> argument between the Bauddhas and Naiyāyika. HENCE THERE IS NOTHING THAT >>>>>> CANNOT BE MEASURED BY THE MATHEMATICS AND NUMBERS; THE COMPUTER LANGUAGE >>>>>> CODED IN TERMS OF THE MATHEMATICAL “0” AND “1”, IS NOTHING BUT ORIGIN OF >>>>>> siva and shakthi as 1 and 0. Mathematics can express all including the >>>>>> negative numbers. Brahmam is one and the negative energy @ MAYA or >>>>>> PRAKRITHI OR SHAKTI is shunya. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2 Cost reduction is the achievement of real and permanent >>>>>> reduction in unit cost of products manufactured. It therefore >>>>>> continuously >>>>>> attempts to achieve genuine savings in cost of production, distribution, >>>>>> selling and administration. It does not accept a standard or budget as >>>>>> impenetrable or fixed, it rather challenges the standards or budgets >>>>>> continuously to make improvements in them. “Cost reduction” is a >>>>>> continuous >>>>>> process of critical cost examination, analysis and challenge of >>>>>> standards. >>>>>> In this each aspect of businesses such as products, process, procedures, >>>>>> methods, organization, personnel etc., are critically examined and >>>>>> reviewed >>>>>> with a view of improving efficiency and effectiveness and reducing the >>>>>> costs. Cost reduction begins where cost control ends. Cost control seeks >>>>>> to >>>>>> bring the actuals in harmony with the predetermined targets. If this >>>>>> happens, assuming no increase or decrease in costs, the profit margin >>>>>> becomes more or less fixed at a particular level of sales. However, this >>>>>> is >>>>>> easier said than done. In actual practice, prices may fluctuate. >>>>>> Alternatively, sales may decline due to various reasons. In all these >>>>>> cases, the business must aim at maximising profits at the same level of >>>>>> sales by reducing costs. Cost reduction seeks to achieve a permanent >>>>>> reduction in cost, without impairing the quality of the product. It is a >>>>>> planned way of improving the efficiency of business operations. >>>>>> >>>>>> 1 Cost reduction is confined to genuine savings in costs of >>>>>> manufacture, administration, distribution and selling. ( has the >>>>>> limitation >>>>>> subject to many factors external, which would not keep at the byoyancy >>>>>> level, at the same standard cost. ). >>>>>> >>>>>> 2 Reduction in cost to consumer as a result of reduction in taxation >>>>>> or Government design or price agreements will not be covered by cost >>>>>> reduction. These are not real and permanent reductions in cost due to >>>>>> planned efforts. Cost reduction does not include windfall reduction or >>>>>> fortuitous reduction. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3 . Cost reduction assumes that product or service will retain its >>>>>> essential characteristics and quality. If reduction in cost results in >>>>>> deterioration of quality, it will not be covered by the term Cost >>>>>> Reduction. >>>>>> >>>>>> 4 Cooperation and teamwork are essential features of any planned >>>>>> approach to cost reduction. Direct saving of cost is the most tangible >>>>>> objective of cost reduction, but it profoundly influences the wide sphere >>>>>> of business as a whole. >>>>>> HENCE THERE CAN NEVER BE AN UTOPIAN COST REDUCTION AND REDUCING THE >>>>>> PROFIT , ACCOMADATE EACH INDIVIDUAL. >>>>>> Therefore an utopian theory of conjecture is at the far >>>>>> away plane, unnoticeable. Maths would explain all scientifically; when I >>>>>> say scientifically , it means , the negative numbers cannot have the >>>>>> square >>>>>> root and one shall not demand the theory of the impossibility. KR IRS >>>>>> 16522 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 at 06:43, Yeddanapudi Markandeyulu < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> *The Ruin of the Profit Mania* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cost and Income are the two sides of a coin. When you pay for >>>>>>> expenditure, to the payee it is income. If costs are reduced, incomes >>>>>>> also >>>>>>> get reduced. If every firm becomes the optimum firm, which means that it >>>>>>> achieved the lowest cost for a unit of output, there will be no income >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> all in the economy and it will be the ultimate ruin called the great >>>>>>> depression. If every firm makes profit, all together dive into the >>>>>>> abyss. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A loss making unit is one which is giving more to the society than >>>>>>> what it is taking from the society. In fact the profit making firms are >>>>>>> existing because; they are maintained by the loss sustaining units. A >>>>>>> profit making unit gives less than what it takes and the loss making >>>>>>> unit, >>>>>>> gives more than what it takes from the society. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This vital service, which keeps economies safe or save the economy >>>>>>> from death, is being performed by the Public Sector Undertakings in >>>>>>> India. >>>>>>> If all public sector undertakings are to be gifted to the private >>>>>>> merchants, and if they begin cutting costs or reduce the income >>>>>>> generation >>>>>>> in the society, there will be the ultimate economic depression, the big >>>>>>> ruin. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> An economy of 140 crore people needs the vital avenue where loss >>>>>>> generation or the income generation in the society, is maintained. Loss >>>>>>> simply means incomes given without the equal return. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is a very big minus side to the cost reduction, ruin of >>>>>>> nature. A profit making unit, poisons the land, water, air, and kills >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> flora and fauna, or simply shifts to the society and nature the costs >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> it has to pay. When nature is murdered so systematically and >>>>>>> completely, we >>>>>>> also die gradually. All profit making units together ultimately murder >>>>>>> nature. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Basmasuras of today, sport big academic qualifications surround >>>>>>> themselves with intellectual statements emitting sycophants, posing as >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> great Dons, leaving no scope for simple sanity. The Dons obfuscate with >>>>>>> very complicated but really irrelevant mathematics, but they look >>>>>>> technical >>>>>>> and superior. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is one undeniable fact. You can explain everything with >>>>>>> sentences but you cannot represent everything with mathematics. >>>>>>> Mathematics >>>>>>> always leaves with incomplete explanations. 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