Mr Gopalakrishnan About Airport noise people living in Meenambakkam will suffer, so BSNL is not exceptional. But the point is 250 is not a must. And only within a 30 kms radius. And because of wrong directions, few accidents have also occurred. In T Nagar about 5 kms radius away, one can hear the express train movements and hooting in the morning around 5 AM. KR IRS 28523
On Sat, 27 May 2023 at 18:40, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote: > Respected Mr Rajaram, > > Please read again > > *Noise Reduction: Operating at a lower speed* significantly contributes > to the reduction of noise pollution, especially in densely populated areas > surrounding airports. By reducing the velocity of aircraft, the > disturbance caused by engine noise is mitigated, resulting in a more > harmonious environment for nearby residents. > *My note- Telecom department was having a* training centre at > Meenambakkam, somewhat close to airport. While attending/ taking class, due > to heavy noise from aircrafts, it was customary to keep silence than > teaching. Now the BSNL is conducting much training for those requiring > employment in all fields, not only for BSNL. > > My point was still noise is very much while landing in an airport for > nearby offices. > > Gopalakrishnan > > On Saturday, 27 May, 2023 at 10:23:08 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > CULTURAL QA 05-2023-28 BY Mr G AND EDITED BY KR IRS 28523 > > Q1 Why do airliners have to fly at 250 knots when they are below > 10000 feet? > > G My note- Telecom department was having a training centre at > Meenambakkam, somewhat close to airport. While attending/ taking class, due > to heavy noise from aircrafts, it was customary to keep silence than > teaching. Now the BSNL is conducting much training for those requiring > employment in all fields, not only for BSNL. > > KR: Being enthusiast had copied from material dot and dash without > understanding the theme. And the above note has no relevance to the subject > at all. 5 lines are waste fillers. Now, *What Do You Think? *Does the > 250-knot speed restriction below 10,000 feet make sense? Do you think it > should be increased or decreased, and under what circumstances? The > replies from the pilots who are operating day in and day out:” 1 *Nico > Wissink *It used to be that the "heavy" call sign would enable you to > clean up at speeds above 250, below 10.000. The 747 I fly might need 280 at > heavy weights. ORD and LAX require you to stay at 250 until they tell you > otherwise, and the speed margin to the bottom gets very narrow the higher > you go, with flaps at 5 or 1. As for levelling at 10.000 on the way down, > yes, I have seen the plane do that, but it also can reduce to 700fpm at > 12000 ft and hit 250 (it tries for 240) at 10.000. Pilots that use Flight > Level change occasionally forget the speed reduction, and level at 10.000. > At ORD they want you to go 300 kts at 11000, after a previous 250 kt > restriction. Then clear you to 7000 few seconds later, at what point do > you want me to go 250 again? It takes fuel to accelerate, now, 2 minutes > later I need to waste all that energy again? Then Tower cries if I need 185 > on final and they want me below 170. Maybe ask first? (fuel wasted > literally) .2 *Ed Jones *250 KIAS seems ok given the flap speed > restrictions on faster aircraft. Most commercial aircraft can operate > between 180 and 250 without adding flaps. and be safe. Often rule changes > occur after several events that draw attention to a problem. The TWA, > Beechcraft and UAL events were not the sole reasons for the rule change. 3 > *John > Frank* <https://www.facebook.com/people/John-Frank/100054199173724/> The > author is incorrect. The UAL/TWA December, 1960 mid-air resulted in a speed > limit of 250 KIAS within 30 miles of the destination airport. More than > 30 miles from destination, go barber pole at 6,000 feet, msl, if you > wanted to. In April, 1967, a TWA DC-9-10 was doing just that (barber pole > at 8,000) when he rammed into a Beechcraft. That April, 1967 accident > resulted in 250 below 10,000 everywhere in domestic U.S. airspace. > > Q2 Exactly what do we need to filter out of our tap water? > Certainly not everything in tap water is harmful, is it? > > G The ugly actual truth is that you don’t actually need to filter > anything out of most tap water! > > (KR Is that universal statement or USA statement? It appears to be a > Detroit USA standard not applicable to India or Africa) > > G My note- While I had training as phone inspector (1965’s) we were > told only tap water is used for preparing batteries, but in India we use > distilled water as tap water is not pure in India. Water was so pure in > London at that time. During my student days in Kerala (till 1964’s) we used > water from wells for drinking. It was filtered only during rainy seasons. > Basic water filtering was only known using charcoal saw dust and sand and > was available in major offices. > > KR The *history of water filters* can be traced to the earliest > civilisations with written records. Water filters have been used throughout > history to improve the safety and aesthetics of water intended to be used > for drinking or bathing. In modern times, they are also widely used in > industry and commerce. The history of water filtration is closely linked > with the broader history of improvements in public health. Ancient > Sanskrit and Egyptian writings document practices that were followed to > keep water pure for drinking. The *Sushruta 2000 BCE Samhita > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sushruta_Samhita>* specified various > methods, including: boiling and heating under the sun > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun>. The text also recommends filtering > water through sand and coarse gravel. Images in Egyptian tombs, dating from > the 15th to 13th century BCE depict the use of various water treatment > devices. By the early 1900s, water treatment experimentation had turned > from the prevention of waterborne diseases to the creation of softer, > less-mineralized water. Water softeners, which use sodium ions to replace > water-hardening minerals in water, were first introduced into the water > treatment market in 1903. Ion exchange is a reversible interchange of one > kind of ion present in an insoluble solid with another of like charge > present in a solution surrounding the solid with the reaction being used > especially for softening or making water demineralised, the purification of > chemicals and separation of substance since 1900AD and in 1960s we had a > system and not saralikkal treatment as shown in “my note by G”. > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_exchange> > > Q3 What fruits are good for diabetics? KR repeated again > > G End note: My job is to give you good advice, but you must consult a > doctor before taking my advice. KR Advice must be given only > appropriately and not as , “small lettered caution below in any > advertisements”. > > Q4 Does powder or liquid laundry detergent work better? > > KR repeated again > > Q5 How is electricity obtained in trains? > > KR Repeated again under another banner a few months back. > > Compiled and posted by R. Gopala krishnan, former ITS, on 27-05-2023 > > KR IRS 27523 > > On Sat, 27 May 2023 at 07:13, '[email protected]' via iyer123 < > [email protected]> wrote: > > *CULTURAL QA 05-2023-28* > > Q1 Why do airliners have to fly at 250 knots when they are > below 10000 feet? > > A1 Vishnu Ravi, Aviation Enthusiast | Content Creator 20h > > Aircraft operating below 10,000 feet are required to maintain a speed of > 250 knots for various important reasons. Let's delve into these reasons in > detail: > > *Regulations: As per the guidelines outlined in 14* CFR 91.117, it is > prohibited for any individual to operate an aircraft below 10,000 feet mean > sea level (MSL) at an indicated airspeed exceeding 250 knots, unless > specifically authorized by the Administrator. > > *Safety: The establishment of this speed limit is* primarily aimed at > ensuring the safety of all aircraft in the vicinity. By adhering to the > 250-knot limit, airplanes can effectively maintain an adequate distance > from one another, particularly in congested airspace. This measure plays > a crucial role in preventing potential mid-air collisions and maintaining > overall aviation safety. > > *Noise Reduction: Operating at a lower speed* significantly contributes > to the reduction of noise pollution, especially in densely populated areas > surrounding airports. By reducing the velocity of aircraft, the > disturbance caused by engine noise is mitigated, resulting in a more > harmonious environment for nearby residents. > > *My note- Telecom department was having a* training centre at > Meenambakkam, somewhat close to airport. While attending/ taking class, due > to heavy noise from aircrafts, it was customary to keep silence than > teaching. Now the BSNL is conducting much training for those requiring > employment in all fields, not only for BSNL. > > *Enhanced Fuel Efficiency: Lowering the speed* during flights below > 10,000 feet also promotes fuel conservation and emission reduction. By > adopting a reduced pace, airplanes can optimize their fuel consumption, > leading to greater efficiency and minimized environmental impact. > > It is important to mention that certain aircraft possess the capability to > exceed 250 knots indicated airspeed below 10,000 feet. However, these > aircraft are not allowed to do so unless expressly authorized by the > Administrator. Furthermore, *in instances where air traffic control > assigns a speed higher than 250 knots* while an aircraft is at or above > 10,000 feet MSL, and subsequently instructs a descent below 10,000 feet > MSL, the aircraft must decelerate to 250 knots before initiating the > descent. > > Q2 Exactly what do we need to filter out of our tap water? > Certainly not everything in tap water is harmful, is it? > > A2 Keith Odom, Former Plant Operator - Water & Waste Water. At > CDCR - Pelican Bay (1997–2003)4y > > The ugly actual truth is that you don’t actually need to filter anything > out of most tap water! > > There has always been a big element of 'scam' to the whole consumer > filtration thing. But people want to feel like they are doing something for > the good of their health. And business is willing to make money selling > filters and bottled water. So there you go. > > *I was a water treatment professional. I drink my* water straight out of > the tap. Because I know that the other water treatment professionals of the > world take a lot of pride in doing their jobs well. > > And the designers and engineers who made the plans are exactly the same. > We spend our time making sure that the water is safe to drink. > > That said… occasionally there are problems or situations where the water > is not safe to drink. > > Very old water systems that have not been maintained well can be a > problem. The pipes can start leaking and bad microbes can infiltrate into > the water. > > I had an aunt who had to either buy bottled water or boil the tap water. > Because she lived way out in the country, her tap water was being pulled > straight off a nearby farm water canal. Canals can harbour bad microbes. > > In Detroit a couple of years ago there were big problems with tap water > causing disease. A huge scandal. Detroit had changed the source of where > they got their water from. *The new source, which was a nearby river, had > unsafe water*. And, the Water Plant managers, and more importantly, the > City business managers, didn’t want to face up to the problem, which they > did know about, and the huge money expenses required to fix the problem. So > they lied and denied and lots of people drank tainted water. I hope those > managers go to jail. > > *So, at the risk of repeating myself, for most people in most places, > there isn’t anything they need to do extra to filter their water.* > > *My note- While I had training as phone inspector* (1965’s) we were told > only tap water is used for preparing batteries, but in India we use > distilled water as tap water is not pure in India. Water was so pure in > London at that time. > > *During my student days in Kerala (till 1964’s) we used water* from wells > for drinking. It was filtered only during rainy seasons. > > Basic water filtering was only known using charcoal saw dust and sand and > was available in major offices. > > Q3 What fruits are good for diabetics? > > A3 Farhad Rajshahi, Health Tips19h > > *For diabetics, it's generally recommended to choose fruits that are low > in sugar and have a lower glycaemic index (GI).* Here are some fruits > that are considered good choices for diabetics: > > 1. Berries: Strawberries, blueberries, raspberries, and blackberries are > all low in sugar and high in fibre, which can help regulate blood sugar > levels. > > 2. Apples: Apples are a good source of fibre and have a moderate GI. They > also contain antioxidants and vitamins. > > 3. Citrus fruits: Oranges, lemons, limes, and grapefruits are low in > sugar and rich in vitamin C. They also provide fibre. > > 4. Cherries: Cherries have a lower glycaemic index compared to many other > fruits and are packed with antioxidants. > > 5. Pears: Pears are a good source of fibre and have a lower glycaemic > index. Choose fresh pears over canned ones, as canned pears often have > added sugars. > > 6. Kiwi: Kiwis are low in sugar and high in fibre. They also provide a > good amount of vitamin C and other nutrients. > > 7. Avocado: While technically a fruit, avocados are low in carbohydrates > and high in healthy fats, making them a good choice for diabetics. > > Remember that portion control is still important, even when consuming > fruits that are considered good for diabetics. It's best to consult with > a registered dietician or healthcare professional for personalized advice > based on your specific dietary needs and blood sugar management goals. > > Here's some additional information regarding fruits for diabetics: > > *1. Portion control: While fruits can be a healthy part* of a diabetic > diet, it's important to consume them in moderation. Even though they > contain natural sugars, they can still affect blood sugar levels. Be > mindful of portion sizes and consider balancing your fruit intake with > other low-carbohydrate foods. > > *2. Whole fruits vs. fruit juices: Whole fruits are* generally a better > choice than fruit juices. Whole fruits contain more fibre, which can help > slow down the absorption of sugar into the bloodstream. Fruit juices, on > the other hand, can cause a more rapid spike in blood sugar levels due to > their higher sugar concentration and lack of fibre. If you prefer fruit > juice, opt for freshly squeezed or 100% juice options without added sugars, > and consume them in moderation. > > *3. Glycemic index (GI): The glycaemic index is a* scale that measures > how quickly carbohydrates in food raise blood sugar levels. Foods with a > lower GI are digested more slowly, causing a slower and more gradual > increase in blood sugar. Generally, fruits with a low to moderate GI are > better for diabetics. However, it's important to note that the glycaemic > index can vary depending on the ripeness of the fruit and how it's prepared > (e.g., cooked, raw, or blended). > > *4. Individual differences: **The impact of fruits on* blood sugar levels > can vary between individuals. Factors such as overall diet, medication, > physical activity, and personal blood sugar response can influence how > fruits affect blood glucose. > > It's important to monitor your blood sugar levels regularly and work with > a healthcare professional or registered dietician to determine which fruits > work best for you. > > *5. Balanced meals: When incorporating fruits into* your meals, it's > advisable to combine them with other foods that provide protein, healthy > fats, and fibre. This can help slow down digestion and minimize the impact > on blood sugar levels. For example, you could pair a small apple with a > handful of almonds or have berries with Greek yogurt. > > Remember, it's always a good idea to consult with a healthcare > professional or a registered dietician who specializes in diabetes care for > personalized advice tailored to your specific needs and health goals. > > Here are some benefits and advantages of including fruits in the diet of > individuals with diabetes: > > *1. Nutrient-rich: Fruits are packed with essential* vitamins, minerals, > and antioxidants that are beneficial for overall health. They provide a > wide range of nutrients, including vitamin C, potassium, folate, and > various phytochemicals, which can support the immune system, promote cell > health, and help protect against chronic diseases. > > *2. High in fibre: Many fruits are excellent sources of* dietary fibre. > Fibre helps regulate blood sugar levels by slowing down the absorption of > sugars into the bloodstream. It can also contribute to improved digestion, > help control appetite, and support weight management. > > *3. Low in unhealthy fats: Fruits are naturally low in* unhealthy fats, > particularly saturated and Trans fats, which are linked to an increased > risk of heart disease. By incorporating fruits into the diet, individuals > with diabetes can choose a healthier alternative to high-fat snacks and > desserts. > > *4. Hydration: Many fruits have high water content,* which can contribute > to proper hydration. Staying hydrated is important for overall health and > helps support various bodily functions. > > *5. Satiety and weight management: The fibre* content in fruits, along > with their natural sweetness, can help promote a feeling of fullness and > satiety. This can be beneficial for individuals with diabetes who are > looking to manage their weight or prevent overeating. > > *6. Versatility and variety: Fruits offer a wide array of* options, > flavours, and textures, allowing individuals to enjoy a varied and > enjoyable diet. From berries and citrus fruits to tropical fruits and > melons, there are numerous choices available to suit different preferences. > > *7. Healthier dessert options: For those with a sweet* tooth, fruits can > be a healthier alternative to high-sugar desserts. By incorporating fruits > into desserts or enjoying those on their own, individuals with diabetes can > satisfy their cravings for sweetness while consuming essential nutrients > and fewer added sugars. > > It's important to note that the benefits of fruits for individuals with > diabetes can vary depending on individual needs, overall diet, and blood > sugar control. It's recommended to work with a healthcare professional or > registered dietician who specializes in diabetes care to determine the best > approach to incorporating fruits into a balanced diabetic diet. > > While fruits offer many benefits for individuals with diabetes, there are > a few considerations or potential downsides to keep in mind: > > 1. Natural sugars: Fruits contain natural sugars, mainly fructose. > Although these sugars are accompanied by fibre and nutrients, they can > still impact blood sugar levels. It's essential to monitor portion sizes > and be mindful of overall carbohydrate intake to maintain blood sugar > control. > > 2. Glycemic impact: While most fruits have a lower glycaemic index (GI), > some fruits, particularly those that are ripe or overripe, may have a > higher GI. This means they can cause a quicker increase in blood sugar > levels. It's important to consider the ripeness and preparation of fruits > when planning meals and snacks. > > 3. Individual responses: Every person with diabetes may respond > differently to different fruits. Some individuals may find that certain > fruits cause a larger increase in their blood sugar levels compared to > others. It's important to monitor blood sugar levels and observe personal > responses to determine which fruits work well for you. > > 4. Portion control and moderation: While fruits offer health benefits, > it's crucial to consume them in moderation and practice portion control. > Eating large amounts of fruits, even those lower in sugar, can still > contribute to overall carbohydrate intake, potentially affecting blood > sugar levels. Balancing fruit intake with other macronutrients and > considering overall calorie and carbohydrate goals is important. > > 5. Fruit juices and dried fruits: Fruit juices and dried fruits can be > more concentrated in sugar and have a higher glycaemic impact compared to > whole fruits. They can also be lower in fibre content. It's advisable to > limit consumption of fruit juices and dried fruits or choose options > without added sugars and enjoy them in small quantities. > > 6. Allergies or sensitivities: Some individuals may have allergies or > sensitivities to specific fruits. It's important to be aware of any known > allergies or reactions and avoid fruits that may trigger adverse symptoms. > > Remember, it's crucial to work with a healthcare professional or > registered dietician who specializes in diabetes care to create a > personalized meal plan that takes into account your individual needs, > preferences, and blood sugar management goals. They can provide guidance on > fruit selection, portion sizes, and overall dietary considerations for > optimal diabetes management. > > Conclusion: > > In conclusion, fruits can be a valuable and nutritious part of a diabetic > diet. They offer essential vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, and fibre, > making them a healthier choice compared to high-sugar snacks and desserts. > By incorporating fruits into your meals and snacks, you can enjoy their > numerous benefits while supporting your overall health and blood sugar > control. > > However, it's important to consider portion control, monitor your blood > sugar levels, and be aware of the glycaemic impact of different fruits. > While fruits are generally lower in sugar and have a lower glycaemic index > compared to processed foods, individual responses may vary. Personalized > meal planning, moderation, and balancing fruit intake with other > macronutrients are key to maintaining blood sugar control. > > Consulting with a healthcare professional or registered dietician who > specializes in diabetes care is highly recommended. They can provide > personalized guidance, taking into account your specific needs, > preferences, and goals, to help you incorporate fruits effectively into a > balanced diabetic diet. With proper guidance and monitoring, you can enjoy > the benefits of fruits as part of a healthy and diabetes-friendly eating > plan. > > My job is to give you good advice, but you must consult a doctor before > taking my advice. > > Q4 Does powder or liquid laundry detergent work better? > > A4 Colin John Cook, Former Development Chemist at Neschen UK > Ltd (1986–2012)Updated 3y > > I am rather suspicious of liquid laundry detergents, in case it is a > gimmick to get more money out of people for the same necessity of washing > clothes. *There is nothing at all wrong with powdered detergents, and > they worked fine for decades. This is what they contain:* > > 1. Sodium carbonate. This is the main washing agent and is a mild alkali. > > 2. Sodium tripolyphosphate. This is a water softener; without it, calcium > carbonate would precipitate from hard water and cause white flecks on the > washed clothing. > > 3. Sodium dodecylbenzene sulphonate (NaDDBS). This is the detergent that > loosens dirt and emulsifies grease. It is generally supplied let down > slightly with sodium sulphate to give a grainy powder form, since it is > somewhat waxy in pure form. > > 4. Non-ionic surfactant defoamer such as ethylene oxide/propylene oxide > block copolymer. This prevents foam from the NaDDBS. It should be active in > cold water for the newer cold wash powders. Some non-ionic precipitate in > warm water and cause defoaming. Larger amounts of non-ionic will be active > detergents and emulsifiers. > > 5. Proteolytic and lipolytic enzyme. This is the 'biological' component > and will digest body fluids, food stains, etc. > > 6. "Per" salt such as sodium percarbonate, actually a hydrogen peroxide > of crystallisation adduct with a salt. This is the bleaching agent. It can > reduce the colour of stains. On the negative side, bleaches can lighten > some dyes. > > 7. Per salt activator, which is a nitrogen ring compound such as from > cyanuric acid.. This produces oxygen from the bleach. > > 8. Sodium carboxymethyl cellulose. This is a stabiliser for dispersed > dirt, and prevents redeposit ion. It produces a colloidal solution or > particles which limit the mobility of the dirt particles. > > 9. Optical brightening agent.. This fluoresces blue under UV light and > neutralises any slight yellowing of fabrics due to age. Blue and yellow > lights add together to produce white, whereas in subtractive (dye) mode > they make green. > > 10. Optional blue colour specks. Just for show, although they do indicate > what the powder is for. Blue violet dyes used to be used to correct > yellowing. In this case, green is not produced even though the colours are > subtractive because the violet part masks the yellow. > > 11. Perfume. Again, optional, but people expect it and it also indicates > that the powder is a detergent, to make things smell better! > > 12. Free-flow agent. There is a variety of types including powdered > silica gel or magnesium carbonate. These enable the otherwise sticky mix to > flow from the box and into and from the dispenser. > > ** Most washing powders that I know have been 'spray dried'. This gives > them a lighter bulk density so that they flow readily down the chute with > the water current. Plain mixes of these, mainly, powdered ingredients give > dense powders that do not pour easily. > > Whether the important parts of those concepts can be all incorporated into > a liquid, I don't know, but as a formulator I do know that compromises are > often made. > > At least with the gel pods that are sold these days, some of the > ingredients can be kept separate until they are ready to go into action. > > Q5 How is electricity obtained in trains? > > A5 Info Sage, Former Insight Investigator (2018–2022)May 22 > > Electricity in trains is typically obtained through one of two methods: > *overhead > lines (also known as catenary systems) or third rail systems.* > > Let's look at both methods: > > *1. Overhead Lines (Catenary Systems):* > > Many electric trains, especially those used for long-distance travel or in > urban areas, receive electricity from overhead lines. These lines consist > of wires suspended above the tracks. *The wires are energized with > high-voltage electricity, typically alternating current (AC).* > > The train itself has a pantograph, which is a device mounted on the roof > that extends to make contact with the overhead wires. When the pantograph > connects with the wires, it draws the electricity from the overhead lines > and transfers it to the train's electrical systems. This electricity powers > various components, such as the traction motors, lighting, air > conditioning, and other on-board systems. > > 2. Third Rail Systems: > > In some train systems, particularly in urban subway or light rail > networks, ***electricity is obtained from a third rail, which is a > conductor located alongside or between the tracks. The third rail is > typically energized with direct current (DC) at a high voltage. > > The train has a current collector, such as a shoe or a sliding contact > that makes contact with the third rail allowing the train to draw > electricity from it. Similar to the overhead line system, the electricity > is then used to power the train's various systems, including propulsion and > other on-board equipment. > > *In summary, electricity in trains is obtained either through overhead > lines or third rail systems*. The trains use specialized devices, such as > pantographs or current collectors, to draw electricity from these sources, > which is then used to power the train's propulsion, lighting, and other > on board systems. > > *** Cochin metro is using third rail whereas Chennai metro is using > overhead wires. > > It is ensured the O/H line get AC voltage from small substations at > frequent intervals. > > *All the above QA are from Quora website on 27--05- 2023.* > > *Quora answers need not be 100% correct answers.* > > *Compiled **and posted by R. 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