As usual th imminent jurist and vedic scholar nayunde maven Naratyanasamy of the Sin city started his authority as if Narayanasamy who travelled to indonesia, as usual superior to Acharya, Veda Vyasa, TYagna valkya and calling so many as shudrans as below par. Can anyone tell me who that bloke from Sin city who is so immature and yet eulogised erroneously as eminent? Does he ever think that because he copied 2 verses from KJV , 2 from Subashitani and a few old British poems and butler English, become an authority? If he calls me with so many abusive-adjectives, cannot I abuse him back? If he calls my mother a debauchery , won't I address his whole family as a prostitutional brother whore home? What Narayanasamy shows only reaps back; and at 97 years if he is a pervert, and yet LNS calls him eminent, let the bas..d is hereby made known, my insulting him at 97 is shameful and never his words of perversion. Enda arivu ketta brahmana sorry pancharama, do you know what I write is not copy and paste as your sishyan does; mine is authentic versions which you or anyone had ever redefined. Because your limitation is so small and people would believe that you are smart and smartha . as those fall-backs, do not know anything about what Our Vedas say. Whatever you write does not affect me, but if you were really a jurist and sastric ( i doubt it) the world is enjoying you being degraded where you did not behave as if 97. Age does not determine respect; your behaviour; and your knowledge; and if I am wrong , never say NETI NETI bit quote authority; I am not prepared to listen to you as an authority. Simply copying how many chapters, how long one will take to read , writing your own vulgar translation etc will be recotcheted back to you with absolute authenticity. Your brutye anger will not affect me in whatsoever manner; but my insulting you is maha kevalam. Commit more sins before you part this earth. Varattuma shudra narayana. 👎👎👎👊👊👊🍭🍭🍭
On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 at 11:13, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear folks > > As expected, our unschooled, uneducated loud-mouth retired taxman, NAYUNDA > MAVEN leaps into the frying pan from the fire with his utter nonsense. > > Sri Venkat Giri Sridharan lifts the veil slightly when he writes:- > > "*Food historian K. T. Achaya speculates that the modern idli recipe > might have originated in present-day Indonesia, which has a long tradition > of fermented food. Achaya mentioned an Indonesian dish > called "kedli", which according to him, was like an idli. The cooks > employed by the Hindu kings of the Indianised kingdoms might have invented > the steamed idli there, and brought the recipe back to India during > 800–1200 CE."* > > Yes, I have been to Indonesia -- Bali, Java, Sumatra, Batam, Bintang -- > and paid particular attention to the local food there. > > They have a popular steamed snack called "putu-piring". It consists of > steamed husked rice-powder with coconut shavings and a sprinkle of brown > sugar, all wrapped in banana leaves. And served hot. Sometimes you have > to queue up along with housewives wanting to buy breakfast for their family. > > The items look like mini-idlis, and taste sweetish rather than salty. > They can be bought at the mobile stalls manned by batik-clad young > Indonesian ladies wearing chains of elegant little sea-shells or strung > coral beads, and are very cheap. Our Indian tongues might well want > coconut-chutney with saambaar to smack our lips. "Kopi-taarek" and > "teh-taarek" can also be bought from the same stalls, to wet your throat. > If you are a connoisseur, you might ask for a green long pepper and bite > into it to give your taste-buds some relief from the sweetness. > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 12:04 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> A good attempt subject to 2 factual corrections. Idli is not from India; >> Idli is not Indari as evident from Skanda puranam where it is a sweet cake. >> >> SKANDA PURANA >> >> Verse 4.1.4.95 >> >> पक्वान्नैर्भो जयेद्विप्रान्यतिनोपि तपस्विनः । >> लड्डुकैः फेणिकाभिश्च वटकेंडरिकादिभिः ॥ ९५ ॥ >> >> *pakvānnairbho jayedviprānyatinopi tapasvinaḥ* | >> *laḍḍukaiḥ pheṇikābhiśca vaṭak*eṃḍarikā*dibhiḥ* || 95 || >> >> 94. The holy ablution in the month of Māgha should be performed when the >> sun has slightly risen up. A devotee observing the vow of holy ablution in >> Māgha shall follow the rules and regulations in accordance with his >> capacity. >> >> 95. Brāhmaṇas, ascetics and sages should be fed with sweet cooked foods, >> sweetmeats, Pheṇikas, Vaṭakas >> <https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/vataka#hinduism>, Iṇḍarika etc. >> (these are the sweetmeats and snacks specially to be made). >> >> 96. They shall be fried or cooked in ghee. Pepper should be added where >> necessary. They should be flavoured with white camphor. There must be sugar >> within. The items prepared should be charming to see and of sweet fragrance. >> >> 97. Dry fuel should be given in bulk for the purpose of warding off cold. >> Shirts and blouses filled with cotton should be given along with mattress >> filled with cotton and with excellent covers. >> >> II But this life-affirming staple of the Indian palate may not have >> originated in South India, after all. While both Karnataka and Tamil Nadu >> claim to have invented the recipe, food historian K T Achaya believes the >> idli probably arrived in India from present-day Indonesia around 800-1200 CE >> >> Idlis became truly Indian in no time and we even have proof of Idlis >> being a part of Indian cuisine. Idli has been mentioned in various ancient >> Indian texts, including the 7th-century Kannada work "Vaddaradhane," which >> describes the preparation of "Iddalige." The dish was also mentioned in the >> 10th-century Tamil text "Periya Puranam," which narrates the life story of >> the 63 Nayanars, a group of Shaivite saints. >> It is also said that after Ghazni Mohammed attacked the Somnath temple in >> the 10th century AD, the Saurashtrian merchants shifted to Southern India >> and came up with the recipe of Idli and even named it so. >> >> K RAJARAM IRS 27 8 23 >> >> On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 at 23:26, 'venkat giri' via iyer123 < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> *Respected Sir/s,* >>> >>> *IDLI **or **IDLY* * are a type of savoury rice cake, originating from >>> the Indian subcontinent, popular as breakfast foods in Southern India and >>> in Sri Lanka. The cakes are made by steaming a batter consisting of >>> fermented black lentils (de-husked) and rice. The fermentation process >>> breaks down the starches so that they are more readily metabolised by the >>> body.* >>> >>> *IDLY **has several variations, including rava idli, >>> which is made from semolina. * >>> >>> * The word IDLI is from of the Sanskrit word **इण्डरि >>> **i**ṇḍ**ari or **इण्डलि **i**ṇḍ**ali. In Odisha a similar dish is >>> called **एण्डुरि **e**ṇḍ**uri made in the same way as IDLI is made. Two >>> other words are: **चण्डारिका **ca**ṇḍ**ārikā and **अवन्तिका **avantikā. >>> Can be linked with the Vedic word **इड् **i**ḍ** meaning 'refreshment'.* >>> >>> * A precursor of the modern idly is mentioned in several ancient >>> Indian works. Vaddaradhane* *ವಡ್ಡಾರಾಧನೆ**, a 920 CE Kannada language >>> work by Shivakotiacharya mentions "iddalige", prepared only from a black >>> gram batter. Chavundaraya II, the author of the earliest available Kannada >>> encyclopedia, Lokopakara (c.1025 CE), describes the preparation of this >>> food by soaking black gram in buttermilk, ground to a fine paste, and mixed >>> with the clear water of curd and spices. The Western Chalukya king and >>> scholar Someshwara III, reigning in the area now called Karnataka, included >>> an idly recipe in his encyclopaedia, Manasollasa (1130 CE)* *मानसोल्लास >>> **(*मनस*्**+* *उल्लास)**. **This Sanskrit-language work describes the >>> food as i**ḍḍ**arikā. In Karnataka, the Idly in 1235 CE is described as >>> being "light, like coins of high value", which is not suggestive of a rice >>> base. The food prepared using this recipe is now called **uddina idli >>> **ಉದ್ದಿನ >>> ಇಡ್ಲಿ* *in Karnataka.* *ಉದ್ದು**in Kannada means Black Gram or Urad Dal >>> ..* உளுந்து. >>> >>> * The recipe >>> mentioned in these ancient Indian works leaves out three key aspects of the >>> modern idli recipe: the use of rice (not just black gram), the long >>> fermentation of the mix, and the steaming for **fluffiness.** The >>> references to the modern recipe appear in the Indian works only after 1250 >>> CE. **Food historian K. T. Achaya speculates that the modern idli >>> recipe might have originated in present-day Indonesia, which has a long >>> tradition of fermented food**. Achaya mentioned an Indonesian dish >>> called **"kedli"**,* *which according to him, was like an idli. The >>> cooks employed by the Hindu kings of the Indianised kingdoms might have >>> invented the steamed idli there, and brought the recipe back to India >>> during 800–1200 CE. * >>> >>> * Gujarati historians believe that it was >>> Saurashtrian textile merchants who introduced idli to South India during >>> the 10th and 12th centuries. There are even claims that a mix of rice and >>> black gram ground together and later steamed to form cakes had its origins >>> in Gujarat. The Gujarati work Var**ṇ**aka Samuccaya (1520 CE)(Gujarati >>> Prose Literature) mentions idli as **idari,** and also mentions its >>> local adaption idada (a non-fermented version of DHOKLA)* >>> >>> * The earliest extant Tamil work to mention idli (as itali) >>> is Maccapuranam **மச்சபுராணம்**,** dated to the 17th century.* >>> >>> * Fermentation of idli batter >>> results in both leavening (**புளிப்பு**) **caused** by the generation >>> of carbon dioxide as well as an increase in acidity. This fermentation is >>> performed by lactic acid bacteria.* >>> >>> * IDLY* *is a food made from rice? This is done by steaming. It >>> is a very popular dish in many parts of South India and has a flattened >>> round shape& Will be white. This **IDLY** is made with ingredients like >>> rice and lentils. * >>> >>> * IDLY** has been a food item known in India for about 700 years. * >>> >>> *There are many different types of Italy. Some of them are:* >>> >>> *1. **Chettinad Idly* >>> >>> *2. **Mangalore Idly* >>> >>> *3. **Kancheepuram Idly* >>> >>> *4. **Rava Idli.* >>> >>> *5. **SAGO IDLY ஜவ்வரிசி இட்லி* >>> >>> *6. **SEMIYA or VERMICELLI IDLY* >>> >>> *7. **KHUSHBU or MALLIPPO IDLY – (Popular in Coimbatore, Erode and >>> Tiruppur districts).* >>> >>> *8. ** MINI IDLY - ( small size)* >>> >>> *9. ** Powdered Idli – (Sprinkle chilli powder on the idli and serve)* >>> >>> *10. UDUPI IDLY** (3:1 ratio of rice and urad dal mix, Udupi-style idli >>> needs quite a time to get fermented)* >>> >>> *11. CYLINDRICAL IDLY* >>> >>> *12. RAMASSERI IDLY* >>> >>> *…* *A small village in Palakkad district of Kerala is Ramasseri is >>> famous for these special idlis. It is said that these idlis are almost 100 >>> years old and is known for its size, shape, texture and traditional cooking >>> method. **These are made in thin nets placed inside the earthen pots >>> which are locked using coriander logs**. **Also known as a small dosa, >>> the Ramasseri idlis are made with rice, black gram, fenugreek and salt in >>> the batter. **These taste even better when served on a banana leaf with >>> chutney.* >>> >>> *13**. THATTE IDLY..* *The unique version of the idli is quite popular >>> in **BIDADI**— a town situated on the Bengaluru – Mysuru expres**sway. >>> These idlis are cooked in regular steamers and taste great with **tarkari >>> saagu (Mixed Vegetable) .These are very soft and thin but bigger in size >>> compared to traditional idli.* >>> >>> * To mark its popularity, March 30th is celebrated >>> as **World Idli Day**, every year. **The brainchild of Chennai-based >>> idli caterer Eniyavan, this day was first observed in 2015.* >>> >>> * Generally* *IDLY** is recommended by the doctor/ dietician to >>> an ailing patient. **IDLY** is not only easily digestible food, but >>> also healthy food. An idly has 85 calories, contains 2 grams of protein, 2 >>> grams of fibre, and 8 grams of carbohydrates. People of average weight and >>> height can probably eat 4 or 5 idles.Sambar is the best choice for idly as >>> it is high in protein, when eaten with sambar. Chutney varieties can be >>> reduced. 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