Poor pimp soul; first I thought of replying; then when he himself cannot
add any fresh facts, but accepted the defeat directly and indirectly,
having gained some knowledge through me, he is showing improvements in his
abuse vocabulary; so promoted fero LKG to UKG Narayanasamy; get new slate
and balapam Bye da
Case 1 Valmiki was Ratbakar; and as shudra he became a Muni and hence
written there as "valmikim muni punkavam"; conveniently you shall not close
your sukra eye. So one can become a muni from shidra.
Cas2 There was one Narayanasamy born in a brahmin family; he was
so defiant with his mother reached the sin city to start a flesh trade and
became the nayunda maven and head of pimp trade; so he felt high and
started abusing whosoever he feels they are raising in satire. He used
manslaughter as a weapon. Thus after arduous tapas of abuses descended down
as shudra and melecha by varna
VARNA IS COLOR AND CAN BE CHANGED AND IT IS NOT BY BIRTH NARAYANA; A
MILLION TIMES YOU CRY TRUTH IS BITTER AND IS LAUGHING ON YOUR FACE. BYE.
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 at 01:21, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> wrote:
> Dear folks
>
> Know-nothing loud-mouth dalit-by-choice K R ex-IRS 31/1/24//1/2/24 is
> notorious for floating balloons filled with his flatulence, all of which
> have been shot down, splattering him with his own liquid waste. The above
> lunatic composition is no different.
>
> He triggers off a fresh feud with his favourite gratuitous defamation of
> Sri Gopalakrishna whom he considers an easy and passive target:-
>
> "*Mr Gopalakrishnan wrote Valmiki as a shudra following the footsteps of
> his unwise -friend."*
>
> Was Sri Gopalakrishnan wrong and his accuser right? What does the accuser
> himself admit?
>
> "*Valmiki was born as Ratnakar** and was a dacoit who used to rob people
> and kill them.*"
>
> Were dacoits braahmanas, kshathriyas, and vaishyas? Or were they
> shoodraans or dalit murderers?
>
> "*Narada asked him to say 'Mara' instead, which is Rama spelled
> backwards. The Mara turned Rama eventually and as his penance continued for
> several years as anthills formed around him. Lord Brahma happy with
> Ratnakar's penance blessed him and named him Valmiki.*"
>
> My comments:- So, up to this stage Ratnakar, now named Vaalmeeki, is
> still a dacoit, a shoodran/dalit. How and why the "encounter" between the
> murderer-dacoit and the devarishi occurred is nowhere explained.
>
> "*Valmiki touched by the sorrow of a female bird upon the death of her
> partner uttered his first shloka and that's how his writing journey began.*
> "
>
> My comments:-
>
> The first slokam in Vaalmeki's Raamaayanam begins:-
>
> "*thapaha svaadhyaayaniratham thapasvee vaagvidaam varam l*
> *naaradam paripaprachcha vaalmeekir munipungavam ll *"
>
> My comments:- Nothing about a dead bird here. It is about Vaalmeeki
> asking Naarada a question.
>
> "*Varna is only a duty bound qualification; that is why Vedas do assure
> that by birth no one attains the varna.*"
>
> My comments:- Complete nonsense fabricated by KR ex-IRS. What the vedas
> do assure us is that all four varnas are definitely by birth and
> exclusively by birth -- the braahmanas were born from the head of the
> primordial virad purusha (the immortal divinity), the kshathriyas were born
> from his shoulders, the vaishyas were born from his thighs, and the
> shoodrans were born from his feet. They reproduced, and those they gave
> birth to continued to belong to the respective varnas of their parents.
> Each varna is also identified by its inherent gunas -- sathvik, rajas, and
> thamas --and by the varna-dharma of each. No interchange.
>
> "*In the Dasavatharam, except 2 we have all non-brahmin and shudra Gods
> also and we worship all of them. Sivan resides only in the burning Ghat;
> Vishnu has several castes.*"
>
> My comments:- An exhibition of supreme unmitigated blasphemy by an
> uneducated dalit madman.
>
> Do fishes, turtles, boars, lions, have varnas? If so, as alleged
> "non-brahmins" are they kshathriyas, vaishyas, or shoodraans? Are not
> kshathriyans such as Lord Sree Raama, Lord Sree Balaraama, and Lord Sree
> Krishna also dvi-jans along with braahmanas?
>
> Who are the shoodra gods that we braahmanas worship?
>
> Did the thri-moorthies Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva exist during Vedic times
> when the purusha
> -sooktham was composed?
>
> Does not Lord Shiva the destroyer reside in Mount Kailaasam? What are the
> alleged "several castes" of Vishnu? Which were his Vaishya avathaarams?
> Which were his Shoodra avathaarams?
>
> "*Ratnakar (not RBL bank sir) said to be a hunter, by Tapas rose to the
> sage level to write 24000 verses.*"
>
> My comments:- How many couplets (in old outdated Thamizh) did Valluvan
> write? Did he "rise to the sage level"?
>
> "*Entering the city of Lanka that was protected by Ravana, {a brahmin but
> no one worshipped him?}*
>
> *Shri Rama and Sita observed countless Vedic sacrifices and gave much
> gold, and hundreds of thousands of cows in charity, thus preparing for
> themselves a place in the divine regions. He employed his subjects in the
> duties of their respective varnas and ruled for eleven thousand years,
> after which he returned to his celestial abode, Vaikuntha.*
>
> *"A brahmin reading this becomes proficient in the Vedas, and philosophy;
> a kshatriya becomes a king; a vaishya grows prosperous in trade; a shudra,
> on reading this will become great in his caste."*
>
> My comments:- Why should anyone (excpt his wife and children) worship
> Raavana?
>
> Raamaa and Seetha had taken with them to Raavana's Lanka "*much gold, and
> hundreds of thousands of cows in charity, thus preparing for themselves a
> place in the divine regions**"?*
>
> Fantastic. Simply incredible. How did Raamaa and Seetha transport the
> hundreds of thousands of cows to the island of Lanka? Container shipping?
> Air freight? Barges?
>
> Sree Raamaa ruled Lanka "for eleven thousand years, after which he
> returned to his celestial abode, Vaikuntha".
>
> Earthly years or celestial years? What happened to Ravana during these
> 11,000 years?
>
> S Narayanaswamy Iyer
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 8:36 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> VALMIKI
>>
>> Mr Gopalakrishnan wrote Valmiki as a shudra following the footsteps of
>> his unwise -friend. Mr G individually does not know much and needs crutches
>> to support However the proof of Varna or Jati as attributed a minority
>> among us, is false, as reiterated in Veda and vendangas apart from the
>> puranas and the epics. Valmiki Ramayanam was written by SAGE VALMIKI
>> ADDRESSED AS ADI KAVI COMPOSED IN SANSKRIT 24000 VERSES. As a brahmin can
>> Sri Gopala Krishnan can compose a single verse in Sanskrit? Then in Uttara
>> Kanda he is only addressed as a sage and we all celebrate his day; are we
>> celebrating just a shudra day? We must exert caution, where we enter in the
>> unknown field.
>>
>> 2 The birth anniversary of Maharshi Valmiki is celebrated every
>> year on Ashwin Purnima. This year Valmiki Jayanti is being celebrated on
>> October 28. Valmiki was born as Ratnakar and was a dacoit who used to
>> rob people and kill them. His encounter with Narada Muni transformed his
>> life as he advised him to chant the word Rama. However, Ratnakar could not
>> get himself to chant the word even after several attempts, so Narada asked
>> him to say 'Mara' instead, which is Rama spelled backwards. The Mara turned
>> Rama eventually and as his penance continued for several years as anthills
>> formed around him. Lord Brahma happy with Ratnakar's penance blessed him
>> and named him Valmiki. Along with penance spanning several years, he
>> acquired learning of scriptures from Narada and went on to be rechristened
>> as Maharshi Valmiki. As his new life started, Valmiki touched by the sorrow
>> of a female bird upon the death of her partner uttered his first shloka and
>> that's how his writing journey began. However, it was only after Lord
>> Brahma tasked him with writing Ramayana that the real purpose of his life
>> began. Then varna is only a duty bound qualification; that is why Vedas do
>> assure that by birth no one attains the varna; and British and the vested
>> interest brahmins changed it to a clan or Jati which is erraneous; by doing
>> so , who lost the life?; only the jati-Brahmins and had there been Varna-
>> Brahmin, all political and ruling Govts , would have felt the difficulty of
>> segregating; there would be There would have been , Appar ,Sundarar,
>> Ilayankudi Maranar Meiporul 6Viralminda 7
>> Amaraneedi 8 Eripatha 9 Yenathinathar A Brave
>> swordsman/general in Chola Military10 Kannappa Believed to be a
>> reincarnation of Arjuna11Kungiliya Kalaya 12 Manakanchara
>> 13 Arivattaya 14 Anaya15 Murthiyar 16 Muruga
>> 17 Rudra Pasupathi; (how many shudras are there in this small list?);
>> and The twelve azhwars and their original status at Parmapadam with their
>> auspicious star / Nakshatram under which they manifested are mentioned
>> below:
>>
>> Poigai Azhwar - Manifestation of Lord Sri Krishna’s conch,
>> Panchjanyam, Star/ Nakshatram - Tiruvonam, Shravana Nakshatra.
>>
>> Bhoothatha Azhwar – As Lord Sri Krishna’s mace, Kaumodhaki, Star/
>> Avittam Nakshatram
>>
>> Pey Azhwar – As our Lord’s sword, Nandaka , Star/ Sadaya Nakshatram.
>>
>> Tirumazisai Azhwar – As Sudarshana chakram, Star/ Magham Nakshatram
>>
>> Madhurakavi Azhwar – As Garuda, lord’s vahanam/ vehicle , Star/ Chitrai
>> Nakshatram
>>
>> Namazhwar - As Vishwaksena , lord Sri Krishna’s commander and chief,
>>
>> Star/ Nakshatram- Vishaakam
>>
>> Kulashekhara Azhwar - Kausthubham ( Lord Sri Krishna’s jewel adorning his
>> neck), Star/ Nakshatram – Punarvasu.
>>
>> Peria Azhwar/ Vishnuchittar - Lord Sri Krishna’s Garuda, Star/
>> Nakshatram – Swathi. Peria Azhwar is the foster father of Andal amma who
>> herself is one of the azhwars.
>>
>> Andal amma/ Godhai - None other than Bhumadevi amma ,( mother earth )
>> Lord Sri Krishna’s wife and divine consort……….. Star/ Nakshatram –
>> Pooram.
>>
>> Thondaradipodi Azhwar - Lord Sri Krishna’s garland ( Vanamalai),
>> Nakshatram/ Star – Kettai
>>
>> Tiruppan Azhwar- As srivasta, an auspicious mark on Lord Sri Krishna’s
>> chest, Nakshatram/ Star- Rohini.
>>
>> Tirumangai Azhwar - As saranga , Lord Sri Krishna’s bow, Nakshatram/
>> Star Krittika ( How many shudras in this slist)
>>
>> 3 In the Dasavatharam, except 2 we have all non-brahmin and
>> shudra Gods also and we worship all of them. Sivan resides only in the
>> burning Ghat; Vishnu has several castes. Purusha suktam words are
>> falsified? So many are not from the head sirs. Born out of head pride
>> people were only serving those people calling it as dignity. So Ratnakar
>> (not RBL bank sir) said to be a hunter, by Tapas rose to the sage level to
>> write 24000 verses in Sanskrit, which cannot be done by us all. Then
>> Brahmin, Kshatriya and Vysya and the Shudra mean unity in diversity by
>> profession. B G Krishna said it point blank: KULA KARMA VIBHAGA: By writing
>> ignorantly that Mahabhartham itself is minuscule and B G must the smallest
>> etc will make people laugh silently against such who wrote such. KOODA
>> NATPU KEDIL MUDIYUM.
>>
>> 4 Ramayana of Valmiki
>>
>> Chapter 1 - Shri Narada relates to Valmiki the story of Rama
>>
>> Bala-kanda
>>
>> The Sage Valmiki, chief among the munis and the most eloquent of men,
>> constantly engaged in the practice of self-control { only the
>> self-controlled is a brahmin; uncontrolled is not}and the study of the holy
>> scriptures, enquired of Shri Narada:—
>>
>> “Who is there in the world to-day, { contemporary} endowed with
>> excellent and heroic qualities, who is versed in all the duties of life,
>> grateful, truthful, firm in his vows, an actor of many parts, benevolent to
>> all beings, learned, eloquent, handsome, patient, slow to anger, one who is
>> truly great; who is free from envy and when excited to wrath can strike
>> terror into the hearts of celestial beings? O Sage, I would hear of such a
>> man from you, who art able to describe him to me.”
>>
>> Narada, acquainted with the past, the present and the future, pleased with
>> the words of the Sage Valmiki, answered him saying: —
>>
>> “Rare indeed are those, endowed with the qualities you have enumerated,
>> yet I can tell you of such a one. Born in the family of Ikshvaku, he is
>> named Rama; one renowned, fully self-controlled, { SO WE ALL WORSHIP HIM}
>> valorous and illustrious, the Lord of All. Wise, conversant with the
>> ethical code, eloquent, fortunate, a slayer of his foes, broad-shouldered,
>> long-armed, possessing a conch-shaped neck and prominent chin, eminent in
>> archery, with a muscular body, arms extending to the knees, and a noble
>> head and brow; of mighty prowess; possessing well-proportioned limbs and
>> skin of bluish tint, one renowned for his virtue; of prominent eyes,
>> deep-chested, bearing auspicious marks; one who protects those who take
>> refuge in him and is ever-mindful of the good of those dependent on him;
>> true to his promises, benevolent to his subjects, omniscient, renowned for
>> his good deeds, pure, and ever responsive to devotion; meditating on his
>> own essence.
>>
>> “Equal to Brahma, { THEN HOW CAN IT BE EQUATED WITH ABRAHMIN A
>> KASHATRIYA?} the Protector of his people,(kshatriya) pleasing to look
>> upon; supporting the universe; the destroyer of those who contravene the
>> moral code; the inspirer of virtue; the giver of special grace to his
>> devotees and to those who duly observe sacrificial rites and are
>> charitable; conversant with the essence of the Vedic philosophy; an adept
>> in the science of warfare; skilled in the scriptural law; of infallible
>> memory; beloved of all; of courteous disposition; incapable of cowardice;
>> acquainted with the laws of this world as also of the other worlds.
>>
>> Here the prince met his beloved Guha, the chief of the Chandalas, {SO
>> ALL BRANDISH SEALED?} accompanied by whom, with Lakshmana and Sita, he
>> crossed the river Ganges and entered the forest, arriving at length at the
>> Cittrakuta mountain described by the Sage Bharadvaja. Rama, Lakshmana and
>> Sita dwelt happily in the forest like devas or gandharvas.
>>
>> Entering the city of Lanka that was protected by Ravana, {a brahmin but
>> no one worshipped him?}
>>
>> Shri Rama and Sita observed countless Vedic sacrifices and gave much
>> gold, and hundreds of thousands of cows in charity, thus preparing for
>> themselves a place in the divine regions. He employed his subjects in
>> the duties of their respective varnas and ruled for eleven thousand years,
>> after which he returned to his celestial abode, Vaikuntha.
>>
>> A brahmin reading this becomes proficient in the Vedas, and philosophy; a
>> kshatriya becomes a king; a vaishya grows prosperous in trade; a shudra, on
>> reading this will become great in his caste.
>>
>> 5 Now read the words:
>>
>> tapassvādhyāyanirataṅ tapasvī vāgvidāṅ varam .
>>
>>
>>
>> nāradaṅ paripapraccha vālmīkir muni puṅgavam ৷৷1.1.1৷৷
>>
>> tapasvī ascetic, vālmīki: Valmiki, tapa: svādhyāyaniratam highly
>> delighted in the practice of religious austerities and study of vedas,
>> vāgvidāṅ varam eloquent among the knowledgeable, munipuṅgavam pre-eminent
>> among sages, nāradam Narada, paripapraccha enquired.
>>
>>
>>
>> ātmavānkō jitakrōdhō dyutimānkō.nasūyaka: .
>>
>> kasya bibhyati dēvāśca jātarōṣasya saṅyugē ৷৷1.1.4৷৷
>>
>> ātmavān self-restrained, ka: who?, jitakrōdha: one who has conquered
>> anger, dyutimān one who is endowed with splendour, anasūyaka: one who is
>> free from envy (envy - depicting one's merits as weak points), ka: who?,
>> jātarōṣasya excited to wrath, kasya to whom, saṅyugē in the battle, dēvā:
>> ca celestial beings, devatas, bibhyati are afraid of.
>>
>>
>>
>> bahavō durlabhāścaiva yē tvayā kīrtitā guṇā: .
>>
>> munē vakṣyāmyahaṅ buddhvā tairyuktaśśrūyatānnara: ৷৷1.1.7৷৷
>>
>> munē O!Sage Valmiki, bahava: many, durlabhā: ca ēva rare indeed are the
>> ordinary people endowed with such qualities, yē guṇā: those qualities,
>> tvayā by you, kīrtitā: described, tai: with those qualities, yukta: endowed
>> with, nara: man, śrūyatām listen, aham I, buddhvā having ascertained,
>> vakṣyāmi shall tell you.
>>
>> "O sage rare indeed are men endowed with the many qualities you have
>> described. I ascertained one. Listen carefully.
>>
>>
>>
>> prajāpatisamaśśrīmān dhātā ripuniṣūdanaḥ .
>>
>> rakṣitā jīvalōkasya dharmasya parirakṣitā ৷৷1.1.13৷৷
>>
>> prajāpatisamaḥ equal to Brahma, śrīmān surpassed the entire world in
>> auspiciousness, dhātā sustainer of this entire world, ripuniṣūdanaḥ
>> destroyer of enemies, rakṣitā protector, jīvalōkasya of all living beings,
>> dharmasya of code of morals, parirakṣitā protector.
>>
>> Auspicious like Brahma, Sri Rama is the sustainer of this world,
>> destroyer of enemies and protector of all living beings and of the moral
>> code
>>
>>
>>
>> paurairanugatō dūraṅ pitrā daśarathēna ca ৷৷1.1.28৷৷
>>
>> śṛṅgibērapurē sūtaṅ gaṅgākūlē vyasarjayat .
>>
>> guhamāsādya dharmātmā niṣādādhipatiṅ priyam ৷৷1.1.29৷৷
>>
>> guhēna sahitō rāmō lakṣmaṇēna ca sītayā .
>>
>> paurai: by citizens, pitrā daśarathēna ca by his father Dasaratha also,
>> dūram for a long distance, anugata: followed, dharmātmā rāma: Rama of
>> righteous nature (the protector of those who take refuge in him), gaṅgākūlē
>> on the bank of river Ganga, śṛṅgibērapurē at Shrungiberapura, niṣādādhipatim
>> the king of Nishadas, priyam endeared to him, guham Guha, āsādya having
>> approached, guhēna along with Guha, lakṣmaṇēna by Lakshmana, sītayā ca and
>> by Sita, sahita: accompanied sūtam charioteer Sumantra, vyasarjayat sent
>> back.
>>
>>
>>
>> rājavaṅśānśataguṇānsthāpayiṣyati rāghava: .
>>
>> cāturvarṇyaṅ ca lōkē.smin svē svē dharmē niyōkṣyati ৷৷1.1.96৷৷
>>
>> rāghava: Rama, asmin lōkē in this world, śataguṇān hundred times,
>> rājavaṅśān royal dynasties, sthāpayiṣyati will establish, cāturvarṇyam
>> four varnas, svē svē in their respective, dharmē duties, niyōkṣyati will
>> employ.
>>
>> Ramayana in the opening itself had the word chaturvarnya and B G was only
>> later.
>>
>>
>>
>> paṭhandvijō vāgṛṣabhatvamīyāt
>>
>> syātkṣatriyō bhūmipatitvamīyāt .
>>
>> vaṇigjana: paṇyaphalatvamīyāt
>>
>> janaśca śūdrō.pi mahatvamīyāt ৷৷1.1.100৷৷
>>
>> paṭhan jana: People by reading this, dvija: syāt if he is a brahmin,
>> vāgṛṣabhatvam proficient in the eighteen branches of learning, īyāt
>> attains, kṣatriya: kshatriya, bhūmipatitvam lordship over landed
>> possessions, īyāt gets, vaṇigjanaḥ vaisya, paṇyaphalatvam fruits of his
>> merit, īyāt gets, janaśca men, śūdrō.pi sudra also, mahatvam greatness,
>> īyāt attains.
>>
>> A brahmin becomes proficient in the eighteen branches of learning; a
>> kshatriya gets lordship over landed possessions; a vaisya gets the fruits
>> of his business and sudra also attains greatness by reading Ramayana".
>>
>> ityārṣē śrīmadrāmāyaṇē vālmīkīya ādikāvyē bālakāṇḍē
>> (śrīmadrāmāyaṇakathāsaṅkṣēpō nāma) prathama: sarga:৷৷Thus ends the first
>> sarga of Balakanda of the holy Ramayana in synopsis of the first epic
>> composed by sage Valmiki.
>>
>> 6 So is he just a shudra as Mr Gopalakrishnan wrote without
>> understanding? K R IRS 31/1/24//1/2/24
>>
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