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On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 at 02:47, Laxminarayan Sarma < [email protected]> wrote: > *IaRSe* > > *A bathed-in-stinking-crap chootiya like you, do you even understand a > single word of the cooy-cut-paste stuff you've posted ? * > > *And , you're arrogantly countrring Learned savants like Shri > Narayanaswamy and a polite, humble, sincere and honest gentleman like Shri > Gopalakrishnan - ji ?* > > *Have some sense man.* > > *It's pitiable to see you behaving like an imptent fag pretending to > consummate a marriage , with neither the appendsge nor the brains? * > > *Quit pretending that you're a man. . * > > *i* > > > > On Thu, 1 Feb, 2024, 12:51 pm Narayanaswamy Iyer, <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Dear folks >> >> Know-nothing loud-mouth dalit-by-choice K R ex-IRS 31/1/24//1/2/24 is >> notorious for floating balloons filled with his flatulence, all of which >> have been shot down, splattering him with his own liquid waste. The above >> lunatic composition is no different. >> >> He triggers off a fresh feud with his favourite gratuitous defamation of >> Sri Gopalakrishna whom he considers an easy and passive target:- >> >> "*Mr Gopalakrishnan wrote Valmiki as a shudra following the footsteps of >> his unwise -friend."* >> >> Was Sri Gopalakrishnan wrong and his accuser right? What does the >> accuser himself admit? >> >> "*Valmiki was born as Ratnakar** and was a dacoit who used to rob people >> and kill them.*" >> >> Were dacoits braahmanas, kshathriyas, and vaishyas? Or were they >> shoodraans or dalit murderers? >> >> "*Narada asked him to say 'Mara' instead, which is Rama spelled >> backwards. The Mara turned Rama eventually and as his penance continued for >> several years as anthills formed around him. Lord Brahma happy with >> Ratnakar's penance blessed him and named him Valmiki.*" >> >> My comments:- So, up to this stage Ratnakar, now named Vaalmeeki, is >> still a dacoit, a shoodran/dalit. How and why the "encounter" between the >> murderer-dacoit and the devarishi occurred is nowhere explained. >> >> "*Valmiki touched by the sorrow of a female bird upon the death of her >> partner uttered his first shloka and that's how his writing journey began.* >> " >> >> My comments:- >> >> The first slokam in Vaalmeki's Raamaayanam begins:- >> >> "*thapaha svaadhyaayaniratham thapasvee vaagvidaam varam l* >> *naaradam paripaprachcha vaalmeekir munipungavam ll *" >> >> My comments:- Nothing about a dead bird here. It is about Vaalmeeki >> asking Naarada a question. >> >> "*Varna is only a duty bound qualification; that is why Vedas do assure >> that by birth no one attains the varna.*" >> >> My comments:- Complete nonsense fabricated by KR ex-IRS. What the vedas >> do assure us is that all four varnas are definitely by birth and >> exclusively by birth -- the braahmanas were born from the head of the >> primordial virad purusha (the immortal divinity), the kshathriyas were born >> from his shoulders, the vaishyas were born from his thighs, and the >> shoodrans were born from his feet. They reproduced, and those they gave >> birth to continued to belong to the respective varnas of their parents. >> Each varna is also identified by its inherent gunas -- sathvik, rajas, and >> thamas --and by the varna-dharma of each. No interchange. >> >> "*In the Dasavatharam, except 2 we have all non-brahmin and shudra Gods >> also and we worship all of them. Sivan resides only in the burning Ghat; >> Vishnu has several castes.*" >> >> My comments:- An exhibition of supreme unmitigated blasphemy by an >> uneducated dalit madman. >> >> Do fishes, turtles, boars, lions, have varnas? If so, as alleged >> "non-brahmins" are they kshathriyas, vaishyas, or shoodraans? Are not >> kshathriyans such as Lord Sree Raama, Lord Sree Balaraama, and Lord Sree >> Krishna also dvi-jans along with braahmanas? >> >> Who are the shoodra gods that we braahmanas worship? >> >> Did the thri-moorthies Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva exist during Vedic times >> when the purusha >> -sooktham was composed? >> >> Does not Lord Shiva the destroyer reside in Mount Kailaasam? What are >> the alleged "several castes" of Vishnu? Which were his Vaishya >> avathaarams? Which were his Shoodra avathaarams? >> >> "*Ratnakar (not RBL bank sir) said to be a hunter, by Tapas rose to the >> sage level to write 24000 verses.*" >> >> My comments:- How many couplets (in old outdated Thamizh) did Valluvan >> write? Did he "rise to the sage level"? >> >> "*Entering the city of Lanka that was protected by Ravana, {a brahmin >> but no one worshipped him?}* >> >> *Shri Rama and Sita observed countless Vedic sacrifices and gave much >> gold, and hundreds of thousands of cows in charity, thus preparing for >> themselves a place in the divine regions. He employed his subjects in the >> duties of their respective varnas and ruled for eleven thousand years, >> after which he returned to his celestial abode, Vaikuntha.* >> >> *"A brahmin reading this becomes proficient in the Vedas, and philosophy; >> a kshatriya becomes a king; a vaishya grows prosperous in trade; a shudra, >> on reading this will become great in his caste."* >> >> My comments:- Why should anyone (excpt his wife and children) worship >> Raavana? >> >> Raamaa and Seetha had taken with them to Raavana's Lanka "*much gold, >> and hundreds of thousands of cows in charity, thus preparing for themselves >> a place in the divine regions**"?* >> >> Fantastic. Simply incredible. How did Raamaa and Seetha transport the >> hundreds of thousands of cows to the island of Lanka? Container shipping? >> Air freight? Barges? >> >> Sree Raamaa ruled Lanka "for eleven thousand years, after which he >> returned to his celestial abode, Vaikuntha". >> >> Earthly years or celestial years? What happened to Ravana during these >> 11,000 years? >> >> S Narayanaswamy Iyer >> >> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 8:36 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> VALMIKI >>> >>> Mr Gopalakrishnan wrote Valmiki as a shudra following the footsteps >>> of his unwise -friend. Mr G individually does not know much and needs >>> crutches to support However the proof of Varna or Jati as attributed a >>> minority among us, is false, as reiterated in Veda and vendangas apart from >>> the puranas and the epics. Valmiki Ramayanam was written by SAGE VALMIKI >>> ADDRESSED AS ADI KAVI COMPOSED IN SANSKRIT 24000 VERSES. As a brahmin can >>> Sri Gopala Krishnan can compose a single verse in Sanskrit? Then in Uttara >>> Kanda he is only addressed as a sage and we all celebrate his day; are we >>> celebrating just a shudra day? We must exert caution, where we enter in the >>> unknown field. >>> >>> 2 The birth anniversary of Maharshi Valmiki is celebrated every >>> year on Ashwin Purnima. This year Valmiki Jayanti is being celebrated on >>> October 28. Valmiki was born as Ratnakar and was a dacoit who used to >>> rob people and kill them. His encounter with Narada Muni transformed his >>> life as he advised him to chant the word Rama. However, Ratnakar could not >>> get himself to chant the word even after several attempts, so Narada asked >>> him to say 'Mara' instead, which is Rama spelled backwards. The Mara turned >>> Rama eventually and as his penance continued for several years as anthills >>> formed around him. Lord Brahma happy with Ratnakar's penance blessed him >>> and named him Valmiki. Along with penance spanning several years, he >>> acquired learning of scriptures from Narada and went on to be rechristened >>> as Maharshi Valmiki. As his new life started, Valmiki touched by the sorrow >>> of a female bird upon the death of her partner uttered his first shloka and >>> that's how his writing journey began. However, it was only after Lord >>> Brahma tasked him with writing Ramayana that the real purpose of his life >>> began. Then varna is only a duty bound qualification; that is why Vedas do >>> assure that by birth no one attains the varna; and British and the vested >>> interest brahmins changed it to a clan or Jati which is erraneous; by doing >>> so , who lost the life?; only the jati-Brahmins and had there been Varna- >>> Brahmin, all political and ruling Govts , would have felt the difficulty of >>> segregating; there would be There would have been , Appar ,Sundarar, >>> Ilayankudi Maranar Meiporul 6Viralminda 7 >>> Amaraneedi 8 Eripatha 9 Yenathinathar A Brave >>> swordsman/general in Chola Military10 Kannappa Believed to be a >>> reincarnation of Arjuna11Kungiliya Kalaya 12 Manakanchara >>> 13 Arivattaya 14 Anaya15 Murthiyar 16 Muruga >>> 17 Rudra Pasupathi; (how many shudras are there in this small list?); >>> and The twelve azhwars and their original status at Parmapadam with their >>> auspicious star / Nakshatram under which they manifested are mentioned >>> below: >>> >>> Poigai Azhwar - Manifestation of Lord Sri Krishna’s conch, >>> Panchjanyam, Star/ Nakshatram - Tiruvonam, Shravana Nakshatra. >>> >>> Bhoothatha Azhwar – As Lord Sri Krishna’s mace, Kaumodhaki, Star/ >>> Avittam Nakshatram >>> >>> Pey Azhwar – As our Lord’s sword, Nandaka , Star/ Sadaya Nakshatram. >>> >>> Tirumazisai Azhwar – As Sudarshana chakram, Star/ Magham Nakshatram >>> >>> Madhurakavi Azhwar – As Garuda, lord’s vahanam/ vehicle , Star/ Chitrai >>> Nakshatram >>> >>> Namazhwar - As Vishwaksena , lord Sri Krishna’s commander and chief, >>> >>> Star/ Nakshatram- Vishaakam >>> >>> Kulashekhara Azhwar - Kausthubham ( Lord Sri Krishna’s jewel adorning >>> his neck), Star/ Nakshatram – Punarvasu. >>> >>> Peria Azhwar/ Vishnuchittar - Lord Sri Krishna’s Garuda, Star/ >>> Nakshatram – Swathi. Peria Azhwar is the foster father of Andal amma who >>> herself is one of the azhwars. >>> >>> Andal amma/ Godhai - None other than Bhumadevi amma ,( mother earth ) >>> Lord Sri Krishna’s wife and divine consort……….. Star/ Nakshatram – >>> Pooram. >>> >>> Thondaradipodi Azhwar - Lord Sri Krishna’s garland ( Vanamalai), >>> Nakshatram/ Star – Kettai >>> >>> Tiruppan Azhwar- As srivasta, an auspicious mark on Lord Sri Krishna’s >>> chest, Nakshatram/ Star- Rohini. >>> >>> Tirumangai Azhwar - As saranga , Lord Sri Krishna’s bow, Nakshatram/ >>> Star Krittika ( How many shudras in this slist) >>> >>> 3 In the Dasavatharam, except 2 we have all non-brahmin and >>> shudra Gods also and we worship all of them. Sivan resides only in the >>> burning Ghat; Vishnu has several castes. Purusha suktam words are >>> falsified? So many are not from the head sirs. Born out of head pride >>> people were only serving those people calling it as dignity. So Ratnakar >>> (not RBL bank sir) said to be a hunter, by Tapas rose to the sage level to >>> write 24000 verses in Sanskrit, which cannot be done by us all. Then >>> Brahmin, Kshatriya and Vysya and the Shudra mean unity in diversity by >>> profession. B G Krishna said it point blank: KULA KARMA VIBHAGA: By writing >>> ignorantly that Mahabhartham itself is minuscule and B G must the smallest >>> etc will make people laugh silently against such who wrote such. KOODA >>> NATPU KEDIL MUDIYUM. >>> >>> 4 Ramayana of Valmiki >>> >>> Chapter 1 - Shri Narada relates to Valmiki the story of Rama >>> >>> Bala-kanda >>> >>> The Sage Valmiki, chief among the munis and the most eloquent of men, >>> constantly engaged in the practice of self-control { only the >>> self-controlled is a brahmin; uncontrolled is not}and the study of the holy >>> scriptures, enquired of Shri Narada:— >>> >>> “Who is there in the world to-day, { contemporary} endowed with >>> excellent and heroic qualities, who is versed in all the duties of life, >>> grateful, truthful, firm in his vows, an actor of many parts, benevolent to >>> all beings, learned, eloquent, handsome, patient, slow to anger, one who is >>> truly great; who is free from envy and when excited to wrath can strike >>> terror into the hearts of celestial beings? O Sage, I would hear of such a >>> man from you, who art able to describe him to me.” >>> >>> Narada, acquainted with the past, the present and the future, pleased with >>> the words of the Sage Valmiki, answered him saying: — >>> >>> “Rare indeed are those, endowed with the qualities you have enumerated, >>> yet I can tell you of such a one. Born in the family of Ikshvaku, he is >>> named Rama; one renowned, fully self-controlled, { SO WE ALL WORSHIP HIM} >>> valorous and illustrious, the Lord of All. Wise, conversant with the >>> ethical code, eloquent, fortunate, a slayer of his foes, broad-shouldered, >>> long-armed, possessing a conch-shaped neck and prominent chin, eminent in >>> archery, with a muscular body, arms extending to the knees, and a noble >>> head and brow; of mighty prowess; possessing well-proportioned limbs and >>> skin of bluish tint, one renowned for his virtue; of prominent eyes, >>> deep-chested, bearing auspicious marks; one who protects those who take >>> refuge in him and is ever-mindful of the good of those dependent on him; >>> true to his promises, benevolent to his subjects, omniscient, renowned for >>> his good deeds, pure, and ever responsive to devotion; meditating on his >>> own essence. >>> >>> “Equal to Brahma, { THEN HOW CAN IT BE EQUATED WITH ABRAHMIN A >>> KASHATRIYA?} the Protector of his people,(kshatriya) pleasing to look >>> upon; supporting the universe; the destroyer of those who contravene the >>> moral code; the inspirer of virtue; the giver of special grace to his >>> devotees and to those who duly observe sacrificial rites and are >>> charitable; conversant with the essence of the Vedic philosophy; an adept >>> in the science of warfare; skilled in the scriptural law; of infallible >>> memory; beloved of all; of courteous disposition; incapable of cowardice; >>> acquainted with the laws of this world as also of the other worlds. >>> >>> Here the prince met his beloved Guha, the chief of the Chandalas, {SO >>> ALL BRANDISH SEALED?} accompanied by whom, with Lakshmana and Sita, he >>> crossed the river Ganges and entered the forest, arriving at length at the >>> Cittrakuta mountain described by the Sage Bharadvaja. Rama, Lakshmana and >>> Sita dwelt happily in the forest like devas or gandharvas. >>> >>> Entering the city of Lanka that was protected by Ravana, {a brahmin but >>> no one worshipped him?} >>> >>> Shri Rama and Sita observed countless Vedic sacrifices and gave much >>> gold, and hundreds of thousands of cows in charity, thus preparing for >>> themselves a place in the divine regions. He employed his subjects in >>> the duties of their respective varnas and ruled for eleven thousand years, >>> after which he returned to his celestial abode, Vaikuntha. >>> >>> A brahmin reading this becomes proficient in the Vedas, and philosophy; >>> a kshatriya becomes a king; a vaishya grows prosperous in trade; a shudra, >>> on reading this will become great in his caste. >>> >>> 5 Now read the words: >>> >>> tapassvādhyāyanirataṅ tapasvī vāgvidāṅ varam . >>> >>> >>> >>> nāradaṅ paripapraccha vālmīkir muni puṅgavam ৷৷1.1.1৷৷ >>> >>> tapasvī ascetic, vālmīki: Valmiki, tapa: svādhyāyaniratam highly >>> delighted in the practice of religious austerities and study of vedas, >>> vāgvidāṅ varam eloquent among the knowledgeable, munipuṅgavam pre-eminent >>> among sages, nāradam Narada, paripapraccha enquired. >>> >>> >>> >>> ātmavānkō jitakrōdhō dyutimānkō.nasūyaka: . >>> >>> kasya bibhyati dēvāśca jātarōṣasya saṅyugē ৷৷1.1.4৷৷ >>> >>> ātmavān self-restrained, ka: who?, jitakrōdha: one who has conquered >>> anger, dyutimān one who is endowed with splendour, anasūyaka: one who is >>> free from envy (envy - depicting one's merits as weak points), ka: who?, >>> jātarōṣasya excited to wrath, kasya to whom, saṅyugē in the battle, dēvā: >>> ca celestial beings, devatas, bibhyati are afraid of. >>> >>> >>> >>> bahavō durlabhāścaiva yē tvayā kīrtitā guṇā: . >>> >>> munē vakṣyāmyahaṅ buddhvā tairyuktaśśrūyatānnara: ৷৷1.1.7৷৷ >>> >>> munē O!Sage Valmiki, bahava: many, durlabhā: ca ēva rare indeed are the >>> ordinary people endowed with such qualities, yē guṇā: those qualities, >>> tvayā by you, kīrtitā: described, tai: with those qualities, yukta: endowed >>> with, nara: man, śrūyatām listen, aham I, buddhvā having ascertained, >>> vakṣyāmi shall tell you. >>> >>> "O sage rare indeed are men endowed with the many qualities you have >>> described. I ascertained one. Listen carefully. >>> >>> >>> >>> prajāpatisamaśśrīmān dhātā ripuniṣūdanaḥ . >>> >>> rakṣitā jīvalōkasya dharmasya parirakṣitā ৷৷1.1.13৷৷ >>> >>> prajāpatisamaḥ equal to Brahma, śrīmān surpassed the entire world in >>> auspiciousness, dhātā sustainer of this entire world, ripuniṣūdanaḥ >>> destroyer of enemies, rakṣitā protector, jīvalōkasya of all living beings, >>> dharmasya of code of morals, parirakṣitā protector. >>> >>> Auspicious like Brahma, Sri Rama is the sustainer of this world, >>> destroyer of enemies and protector of all living beings and of the moral >>> code >>> >>> >>> >>> paurairanugatō dūraṅ pitrā daśarathēna ca ৷৷1.1.28৷৷ >>> >>> śṛṅgibērapurē sūtaṅ gaṅgākūlē vyasarjayat . >>> >>> guhamāsādya dharmātmā niṣādādhipatiṅ priyam ৷৷1.1.29৷৷ >>> >>> guhēna sahitō rāmō lakṣmaṇēna ca sītayā . >>> >>> paurai: by citizens, pitrā daśarathēna ca by his father Dasaratha also, >>> dūram for a long distance, anugata: followed, dharmātmā rāma: Rama of >>> righteous nature (the protector of those who take refuge in him), gaṅgākūlē >>> on the bank of river Ganga, śṛṅgibērapurē at Shrungiberapura, niṣādādhipatim >>> the king of Nishadas, priyam endeared to him, guham Guha, āsādya having >>> approached, guhēna along with Guha, lakṣmaṇēna by Lakshmana, sītayā ca and >>> by Sita, sahita: accompanied sūtam charioteer Sumantra, vyasarjayat sent >>> back. >>> >>> >>> >>> rājavaṅśānśataguṇānsthāpayiṣyati rāghava: . >>> >>> cāturvarṇyaṅ ca lōkē.smin svē svē dharmē niyōkṣyati ৷৷1.1.96৷৷ >>> >>> rāghava: Rama, asmin lōkē in this world, śataguṇān hundred times, >>> rājavaṅśān royal dynasties, sthāpayiṣyati will establish, cāturvarṇyam >>> four varnas, svē svē in their respective, dharmē duties, niyōkṣyati will >>> employ. >>> >>> Ramayana in the opening itself had the word chaturvarnya and B G was >>> only later. >>> >>> >>> >>> paṭhandvijō vāgṛṣabhatvamīyāt >>> >>> syātkṣatriyō bhūmipatitvamīyāt . >>> >>> vaṇigjana: paṇyaphalatvamīyāt >>> >>> janaśca śūdrō.pi mahatvamīyāt ৷৷1.1.100৷৷ >>> >>> paṭhan jana: People by reading this, dvija: syāt if he is a brahmin, >>> vāgṛṣabhatvam proficient in the eighteen branches of learning, īyāt >>> attains, kṣatriya: kshatriya, bhūmipatitvam lordship over landed >>> possessions, īyāt gets, vaṇigjanaḥ vaisya, paṇyaphalatvam fruits of his >>> merit, īyāt gets, janaśca men, śūdrō.pi sudra also, mahatvam greatness, >>> īyāt attains. >>> >>> A brahmin becomes proficient in the eighteen branches of learning; a >>> kshatriya gets lordship over landed possessions; a vaisya gets the fruits >>> of his business and sudra also attains greatness by reading Ramayana". >>> >>> ityārṣē śrīmadrāmāyaṇē vālmīkīya ādikāvyē bālakāṇḍē >>> (śrīmadrāmāyaṇakathāsaṅkṣēpō nāma) prathama: sarga:৷৷Thus ends the >>> first sarga of Balakanda of the holy Ramayana in synopsis of the first epic >>> composed by sage Valmiki. >>> >>> 6 So is he just a shudra as Mr Gopalakrishnan wrote without >>> understanding? 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