welcome sir K R IRS 6324 On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 at 21:37, Madras Sivaraman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thank you Mr. Rajaram. A very erudite compilation of the dharma doctrine > the essence of sanatana dharma. > The silly remarks of the son of stalin must be seen in the light of what > you have explained as dharma. > If that is dengue or malaria then in TN we are living in a state that > believes only in crime. > Sent from my iPad > > On 06-Mar-2024, at 7:51 AM, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > SATYAM VS DHARMAM FROM AN UNLEARNT legal luminary AND A FITTING REPLY FROM > A know-how-covering various aspects of RTA BRAHMA AND ATMA in 10 PARTS > K RAJARAM IRS 6 3 24 kINDLY ALL GO THROUGH TO KNOW OUR STRENGTH AND THE > TREASURE 58 PAGES BUT STRONG TEACHING ABOUT OUR SATYAM AND DHARMA AND RTA > AND BRAHMAM. WORD DOC ATTACHED K rAJARAM irs 6 3 24 > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Rangarajan T.N.C. <[email protected]> > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2024 at 20:37 > Subject: Fw: Constitutional conundrum: Is “Sathyam” greater than “Dharmam”? > To: > > > > > ----- Forwarded message ----- > *From:* Rangarajan T.N.C. <[email protected]> > *To:* sudarshan madabushi <[email protected]>; T.S. > Krishnamoorthy <[email protected]> > > > What I feel is that our sanathana dharma is itself completely secular. > > We can see it in the questions of Yudhistira which refers to Manavas - all > humanity - and not believers > Kimekam daivatam loke kim vapyekam parayanam | > Stuvantah kam ka marchantah prapnuyuh manavah-shubham || > Ko dharmah sarva-dharmanam bhavatah paramo matah | > Kim japan muchyate janthuh janma samsara-bandhanat > > Even before the invasions, there have been visitors from others countries > who might have stayed on and settled here and were free to follow their own > religions. The maharaja of Trivandrum declared his kingdom to be the > property of Anantapadmanabhaswamy and administered it as His servant, > dasan, and Christians and Muslims were living there without any hindrance. > Our dharma includes even atheism. > Actually our dharma follows only first principles and illustrates them > with ithihasas. If people could be taught jurisprudence and philosophies of > the west why not include our dharma too? > > Separation between church and state was a historical necessity in the > west. In fact that reference itself shows the colonial molding of the mind. > There was no such situation here. On the other hand even the invaders had > our pundits as advisers because they were the repository of knowledge and > the principles for proper administration of justice. > The only thing that may happen is that public authorities will be > encouraged to take a sankalp to do their duty selflessly and with > detachment. > > > On Friday, 1 March, 2024 at 10:06:26 pm IST, T.S. Krishnamoorthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > "It is that *Dharma transcends Sathya! *To grasp the profundity of the > fact, scholarship steeped in Western or Abrahamic jurisprudence and/or the > Constitution of India alone is not sufficient. Deep knowledge and > understanding of the ancient wisdom of Indian Vedantic scripture too is > required." > > How do we achieve this goal of our justices having deep knowledge of > Indian vedantic scriptures? Hold classes for them in the gurukul fashion > and make them pass an examination? How many Hindus really have even a > working knowledge of Vedanta? Has the Hindu society ever followed Vedantic > philosophy? Vedanta has remained in obscure books and the Hindu society > operated more on the basis of Manusmriti. Dharma is a very obscure term > and varies from person to person. EVEn Vedanta is not the same for all, > varies from Advaita, visishtadvaita, Dvaita and Buddhism. > Our founding fathers wisely made the constitution secular, even though > they did not use the term in the original constitution. Secularism is a > very simple term, the people may have religion, but the state has none. It > is religion neutral. Thomas Jefferson explained it as a wall of separation > between the church and the state. The Constitution and the laws are based > on the first principles and not on any dharma, Hindu, Christian or Islamic. > > Let us not open Pandora's box. > TSK (USA) > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 1:54 AM sudarshan madabushi < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Precisely ! Especially an “armchair critic“ like a former Chief Justice of > India who knows little about Hindu philosophy, > > > Sudarshan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 01-Mar-2024, at 1:57 PM, Madras Sivaraman <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I see your argument but as you rightly stated the man in action only will > know what his dharma should be and not an arm chair critic who can say > anything what should be and not be. > Sent from my iPad > > On 01-Mar-2024, at 1:48 PM, sudarshan madabushi < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Dharma cannot be properly understood by these kind of *a posteriori* > ways of thinking . > > Be that as it may, to use your own example , in the situation you > describe only the person confronting it will know what is the *dharmic* > choice he must make : whether to lie or to speak truth. > > As I have explained in my response to the former chief justice, Truth is > moral subset of Dharma which is overarching universe. > > Regards, > > Sudarshan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 01-Mar-2024, at 1:28 PM, Madras Sivaraman <[email protected]> > wrote: > > No it is not on occasions.A room full of people are hiding from > terrorists who are searching for a police officer hiding in that room > waiting for an opportunity to strike. The terrorists reach that room and > ask the people for the police officer. Will you lie or speak the truth to > protect your skin. I will lie. > Satyam vada but dharmam chara. does not hold good on all occasions. > Sent from my iPad > > On 01-Mar-2024, at 12:42 PM, sudarshan madabushi < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > https://unknownsrivaishnava.in/2024/02/29/constitutional-conundrum-is-sathyam-greater-than-dharmam/ > > Sudarshan > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > On Facebook, please join https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust > > We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join > > Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup > > Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust > > Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: > https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "KeralaIyers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZopwckKosqVOCybRPrP%2Bt3WVDQtK1817wg6pByR5bk_XQQ%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZopwckKosqVOCybRPrP%2Bt3WVDQtK1817wg6pByR5bk_XQQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > <SATYAM VS DHARMAM FROM AN UNLKEARNT AND A FITTING REPLY FROM A > LEARNED.docx> > > -- > On Facebook, please join https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust > > We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join > > Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup > > Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust > > Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: > https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "KeralaIyers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/598F64AA-1E66-433C-8EEA-69F27B6C5EFB%40gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/598F64AA-1E66-433C-8EEA-69F27B6C5EFB%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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