Muyalukku, how many legs? Narayana: ONLY THREE. nO KID FOUR; nARAYANA: no
no NETI NETI ONLY 3  mAMA YOU ARE NOT any authority over sikhism than Kaur;
Narayana: Neti neti; I read for 15 years under a world famous Guru
sikhism and for got even Vedam. Laughter all around as the kid  Narayana
chuchu poittan- passed urine.

On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 at 01:27, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Dear folks
>
> As predicted, habitual know-nothing boaster and garbage-collector,
> rubbish-gatherer Rajaram K alias KR ex-IRS alias Karuppan-chaami alias
> Cockroachmoorthy generates a lot of fog and hot air without any substance,
> based on a quote by one emotional Jasneet Kaur.
>
> She has obviously not read, and is most likely not entitled to read, the
> Guru Granth Sahib, the final authority on Sikhism.
>
> There, she will find references by Guru Nanak to both Sri Raam, and to
> Lord Har Har (Mahadev) -- Lord Shiva --as the ultimate "naam" of God, to
> which all Sikhs should pray.
>
> S Narayanaswamy Iyer
>
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 1:39 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> CULTURAL QA 03202409
>>
>> Q1      Which caste is considered the Brahmin caste in Andhra Pradesh?
>> What are their surnames?
>>
>> KR And this joker remembers that but forgot that I wrote about all
>> classes of brahmins including YM question on Niyogi. But he archived it and
>> slowly rolling out now. Pennywise but pound…..or found
>>
>> Q2      Was Guru Nanak Ji a real devotee of Lord Rama as he talked a lot
>> about Raam Naam and Raam Bhakti in his verses?
>>
>> KR       Hoe callously Gopala and Narayana write as Ram and shiva
>> worshipper is Guru nanak? The real Guru Nanak is:
>>
>> ” Gyankosh: An Interdisciplinary Journal ISSN : 2581-8252
>>
>> Special Volume, November 2019
>>
>> To Commemorate 550th Birth Anniversary of Guru Nanak Dev Ji
>>
>> THE VIEWS OF GURU NANAK ON HINDUISM AND ISLAM
>>
>> Jasneet Kaur
>>
>> The notion and essence of present religions i.e. Hinduism and Islam
>> during the time of Guru Nanak incite him not to recognize himself with any
>> of them. Infact, he utilizes such concept to judge all present religious
>> theory and process. For Guru Nanak, ‘the true believer does not adopt a
>> marga; he does not belong to a path; he is concerned with truereligion
>> alone.’
>>
>> For Guru Nanak, spiritual knowledge is the basis of perfect divinity like
>> other great saints. He was against the constituents of present religion
>> which create caste discrimination, narrow-mindedness, sectarian divisions
>> and all formalities. He appeared to brighten the life of people from false
>> beliefs and prejudices. Nanak tried to inculcate logic behind every
>> religious practice so that all men should not follow it blindly. In this
>> way he was able to provide clear idea of religion. It resolves the malaise
>> of doubt, thus supplied a ray of hope.1
>>
>> The invasion of Muslims had effected the cultural development of India
>> immensely. At that time, Punjab had to face Muslim arms as well as culture
>> which entered India. The Punjab was under the Muslim rule in the fifteenth
>> century than any other state. The Muslim saints and faqirs were penetrated
>> in the towns and villages of Punjab. The thoughtful environment was created
>> by such saints in people. It prepared ground for integration of ideas that
>> could take place2. In such atmosphere of gloom and blindness, saints and
>> prophets come to recover it from unpleasantness.3 In such world, Mehta Kalu
>> (an accountant) was blessed with a son, Nanak, a name common to both Hindus
>> and Musalmans.4 In the history, Guru Nanak is one among great men whose
>> reflection was preserved in the sentiments of people and whose personality
>> go beyond time and space.
>>
>>       Infact, he was associated great men who are not the proprietorship
>> of any particular creed or religion, but universal to entire human race.
>> The subsequent well-known statement of the Punjab clearly represents the
>> public perception of regard and honor for him:
>>
>> During the whole life, Guru Nanak constantly tried to unite different
>> communities and cultural groups of India and teach them the doctrine of
>> truth, love, honesty and moral virtue.5 Guru Nanak was born at a time, when
>> the essence of religion had disappeared. Both the Hindus and the Muslims
>> had identified their religion with rituals or ceremonies.6 In the views of
>> Indu Bushan Benerjee, Guru Nanak was generally a critic of formalism and
>> ritualism in Islam and Hinduism. He instructed both the Hindus and Muslims
>> to be truthful to their own religion.
>>
>> A comprehensive intimacy was acknowledged in the compositions of Guru
>> Nanak with the contemporary Hinduism and Islam. He referred to the Vedas;
>> discussed about Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh; four-fold ‘blessings’ of life:
>> dharma, artha, karma and moksha; three ways of liberation: jnana, karma and
>> bhakti. At various times, Hindu and Muslim usual procedure is specified
>> simultaneously. However, quite frequently references to Islam stand apart.
>> Guru Nanak discusses about Allah and the Prophet, the Quran, the shari’at,
>> and the prophets; he also discusses about the ulama and the mashaikh, pirs,
>> walis, qalandars and dervishes and the salik and the faqir. He indicates to
>> some of the utmost practices of Islam.
>>
>> We may first examine Guru Nanak’s views towards Hinduism.7 It is
>> preciselycertain that from the point of view of Guru Nanak, the Hindu
>> sacred writings were completely inappropriate to restoration. To hear or to
>> read, to write (expositions) or to comprehend them was to accumulate mere
>> ‘burden’. Guru Nanak’s view towards Hindu deities is not much distinct from
>> his view towards the Hindu texts. He says, without Guru’s sabad, Brahma,
>> Vishnu and Mahesh were as much ‘miserable’ as sansara in general. Guru
>> Nanak’s denial of Hindu texts and deities is closely linked with his
>> disapproval of accustomed practices and ways of prayer.
>>
>> He identifies no merit in pilgrimage to religious places (tirath). For
>> absolute devout, the association of saints is the actual tirath. The true
>> tirath is in the Name and the sabad. There is no tirath like the Guru. Guru
>> Nanak encourages people to pray to the Lord, in place of the salagram; he
>> addresses them to use truthful living as the rosary of tulsi.
>>
>> Nanak has no compassion for established practice of Hindu deity and the
>> sacraments and adherences related with it. Neither Jap nor tap, nor living
>> at tiraths, was of any use without the True One. Guru Nanak believes that
>> trust in the One Lord means putting a real tilak on one’s forehead. For
>> Guru Nanak, the understanding of the only one God includes in it all
>> traditional prayer and generosity.
>>
>> Regarding the real Pandit, Guru Nanak says that he is one who rightly
>> recognizesand perceives the one in everybody. The true Pandit embraces
>> God’s Name. WithoutTrue Name, the tilak-mark and the sacred thread of the
>> twice-born remain worthless. Thebelief in the Boundless one and His sabad
>> is more worthwhile than, Japa, tapa, sanjamand the path of puranas. No
>> fasting will decide the dignity one shall earn; it relies uponthe true
>> action.8
>>
>> Guru Nanak’s view towards contemporary Islam is very much like to his
>> view towards Hinduism. In Guru Nanak’s view, Muhammad was a paighambar but
>> not the‘seal of the prophets.’ In addition, Guru Nanak emphasizes the charm
>> as well as the superiority of Allah, reasonably to bring home the point by
>> mere loyalty to Islam, one could not assure pardon. Each and every one
>> hears and talk about Him; but no one honestly acknowledge His virtue. The
>> Pirs, paighambars, saliks, sadiqs, faqirs and shahids; Shaikhs, qazis and
>> mullas and darvishes—all admire Allah through their prayers (durud), in
>> desire of forthcoming blessings (barkat). But, (Allah) He observes
>> everybody and favors His grace on whomsoever He wills.
>>
>> Guru Nanak criticizes the qazis for their negligence. He appreciates the
>> qazi to regulate his action to his occupation and thereby evolve as a true
>> musulman. Guru Nanak\ says that Sheer talk at no time can lead to paradise;
>> liberation lies in right action.
>>
>> Falsehood brings about only falsehood.
>>
>> Besides this, the qazi is suggested to consider good action as his Kalima
>> and to reinstate his five daily prayers with five doctrines of action and
>> prayer; truth (sachch) flawful earning (halal), wishing well of others
>> (khair), right aspiration (niyat) and appreciation of the Lord (sifat,
>> sana). The five daily prayers, the recitation or study of the Quran and the
>> delight of the table will be left behind; even the well informed ‘sink’
>> likes the vessel that has a hole at its bottom. Only he is a qazi who
>> eliminate himself and who absolutely recognize God who ever was, is and
>> shall be for all time, the True Creator. In addition, the Shaikh as well as
>> qazi is destined to be left chained in the wheel of transmigration if he
>> does not become aware of that only noble deeds are repaid.
>>
>> In guiding the Mualsmans, Guru Nanak turns up to pick the way of the
>> Sufis. The Muslmans applause the Shari’at : they read and think about
>> seriously; but only those are the true servants who, to see His face,
>> become his slave (banda).9 Guru Nanak advocates the Muslmans to create
>> gentleness their mosque and goodwill prayer-mat, to constitute fairly
>> earned food their Quran, and timidness and politeness their Ka’ba, and
>> truth their pir; to realize God’s grace as their kalima and namaz; and to
>> form raza their rosary, undoubtedly.
>>
>> To be a muslman is ardous; only those who are true musalman should be
>> called so. They should first accept the religion of the auliya and regard
>> surrender as a record that gets rid of the rust (of the mirror). Only then
>> they become muslmans when they live their religion and expel all thoughts
>> of life and death. They should approve God’s legal order most cheerfully,
>> faith in Him as the true Creator and fade themselves. Only then may they
>> secure his grace (rahmat) and only then shall they be true muslmans. There
>> is no confusion that Guru Nanak disagrees with the ‘orthodox’ in the
>> wording of the Sufis, and, in doing so, reveal inclination for the latter.
>>
>> Anyhow, this relative gratitude for the Sufis path should not lead us to
>> conclude that Guru Nanak appreciate of the contemporary Sufis. He supports
>> the qazi and the Shaikh in many ways—In Rag Gauri, for instance, they are
>> supported as of suffering from haumai:
>>
>> They think too much of themselves. A real dervish while he lives is dead
>> and leaves behind everything to unite with his creator.10 In the views of
>> Guru Nanak towards contemporary religions, he demonstrates little
>> admiration for the established orders of his time. He rejects Hindu and
>> Muslim texts cannot lead to salvation. He observed Muhammad and his
>> religion as one of the diverse explanation of God’s creation. He attribute
>> to Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva as ways, which propose that he acquired their
>> presence as real, but they emerge as the creatures of God, deprived of all
>> functions and subject to maya and to death.
>>
>> Endnotes
>>
>> 1 J.R. Puri, “The Mystic Teachings of Guru Nanak”, Perspectives on Guru
>> Nanak Seminar Papers (ed.) Harbans Singh, Religious Studies, Punjabi
>> University, Patiala, 1975, pp. 170-172.
>>
>> 2 Tara Chand, Influence of Islam on Indian Culture, Indian Press Pvt.
>> Ltd., Allahabad, 1936, p. 136.
>>
>> 3 K.A. Nizami, “Some Social and Religious ideals of Guru Nanak,”
>> Perspectives on Guru Nanak Seminar Papers (ed.), Harbans Singh, Religious
>> Studies, Punjabi University, Patiala, 1975, p.151.
>>
>> 4 Tara Chand, Influence of Islam on Indian Culture, p. 166.
>>
>> 5 K.A. Nizami, “Some Social and Religious ideals of Guru Nanak,” p.151.
>>
>> 6 J.R. Puri, “The Mystic Teachings of Guru Nanak”, p. 170.
>>
>> 7 J.R. Puri, “The Mystic Teachings of Guru Nanak”, pp. 201-202.
>>
>> 8 J.S. Grewal, Guru Nanak in History, Publication Bureau, Chandigarh,
>> 1979, pp. 206-215.
>>
>> 9 J.S. Grewal, Guru Nanak in History, pp. 228-230.
>>
>> 10 J.S. Grewal, Guru Nanak in History, pp. 231-232.
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty <[email protected]>
>> Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 at 20:54
>> Subject: Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: [iyer123] CULTURAL QA 03-2024-09
>> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>, Patty
>> Thatha <[email protected]>, Iyer <[email protected]>,
>> Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]>
>>
>>
>> Thank you sir for reading the QA and responding with addition
>> Gopalakrishnan
>>
>> On Sunday, 10 March, 2024 at 06:58:39 am IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Dear folks
>>
>> "Q2      Was Guru Nanak Ji a real devotee of Lord Rama as he talked a
>> lot about Raam Naam and Raam Bhakti in his verses?"
>>
>> My comments:-  If one studies the Guru Granth Sahib with attention, one
>> will note that Guru Nanak also prayed to "Har Har (Mahadev)", i.e. Lord
>> Shiva.
>>
>> S Narayanaswamy Iyer
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 4:30 PM 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> CULTURAL QA 03-2024-09
>>
>> All the below   QA are from Quora DIGEST to me  on   09-03-2024.
>>
>> Selected quora answers generally interesting including jokes are included
>> Still they   need not be 100% correct answers. I am only a compiler.
>>
>> Compiled and posted by R. Gopala Krishnan, 80,    on 09-03-2024.
>>
>> Q1      Which caste is considered the Brahmin caste in Andhra Pradesh?
>> What are their surnames?
>>
>> A1      Joseph Taylor,Handsome guy20h
>>
>> In Andhra Pradesh, the Brahmin caste is traditionally known as the Niyogi
>> Brahmins. They are one of the predominant Brahmin communities in the
>> state and are known for their involvement in various priestly, scholarly,
>> and intellectual roles.
>>
>> Some common surnames among Niyogi Brahmins in Andhra Pradesh include:
>>
>> 1. Sharma  2. Joshi     3. Dixit     4. Trivedi
>>
>> 5. Upadhyay     6. Bhatt     7. Chaturvedi   8. Acharya      9. Pandit   10.
>> Mishra
>>
>> These are just a few examples, and there may be many other surnames
>> associated with the Niyogi Brahmin community in Andhra Pradesh, depending
>> on regional and family-specific variations.
>>
>> My note- Our member Mr  Yeddanapudim  had once wrote in groups that he
>> is a Niyogi Brahmin, I recollect.
>>
>> Q2      Was Guru Nanak Ji a real devotee of Lord Rama as he talked a lot
>> about Raam Naam and Raam Bhakti in his verses?
>>
>> A2      Sant Kabir talked about 4 kinds of Ram —
>>
>> Ayodhya's Prince. The son of Dashrath. In the original Ramayan, Ram is
>> just an ordinary human prince with the best of noble qualities. There is
>> nothing magical or mystical in the original Ramayan.
>>
>> The second one is the human mind that controls and runs the humans and
>> hence the world. It is responsible for all the bad actions of humans too.
>>
>> The third one is the creator of this whole existence. The one that has
>> come into expression.
>>
>> The fourth one is the Supreme one. The source of all and everything. The
>> source of life and soul. The humanity or even the Devtas are not aware
>> of the Supreme being. This power is the source of all souls.
>>
>> Whenever Guru Nanak talk about his “Ram", he is talking about the fourth
>> Ram. It is the very source of consciousness, the source of all souls,
>> including the life/souls of Devi/Devtas of all religions. Most religions
>> have the knowledge or revelation upto the third Ram (God) only who is the
>> manifestor of whole creation.
>>
>> But the Supreme Lord is even higher and subtler than the creator of 3
>> worlds. He has no form or limits. It expresses itself through the
>> highest order Saints like Sant Kabir, Guru Nanak, etc. He's the one Ram,
>> The one God that Guru Nanak repeatedly talks about.
>>
>> Q3      What is important in life?
>>
>> A3      Rakshith Akira, A Sensible Writer 5y
>>
>> When we die, our money remains in the bank.
>>
>> Yet, when we are alive, we don't have enough money to spend.
>>
>> In reality, when we are gone, there is still a lot of money not spent.
>>
>> One business tycoon in China passed away. His widow wife, was left with
>> $2.5 billion in the bank, and married her husband's chauffeur (Car driver).
>>
>> His chauffeur said,   All the while, I thought I was working for my boss
>> it is only now, that I realise that my boss was all the time, working for
>> me !!!
>>
>> The cruel reality is,It is more important to live longer than to have
>> more wealth. So, we must strive to have a strong and healthy body.
>>
>> In a high end hand phone, 75% of the functions are useless!
>>
>> For an expensive car, 75% of the speed and gadgets are not needed.
>>
>> We never contact 75% of people in our contact list.
>>
>> If you own a luxurious villa or mansion, 75% of the space is usually not
>> used or occupied.
>>
>> How about your wardrobes of clothes?75% of them are not worn!
>>
>> A whole life of work and earning. Still, we spend 75% of our earning on
>> other people.
>>
>> So, we must protect and make full use of our 25%.
>>
>> Go for medical check-ups even if not sick.
>>
>> Drink more water, even if not thirsty.
>>
>> Learn to let go, even if faced with grave problems.
>>
>> Endeavour to give in, even if you are in the right.
>>
>> Learn to forgive people.
>>
>> Remain humble, even if you are very rich and powerful.
>>
>> Learn to be contented, even if you are not rich.
>>
>> Exercise your mind and body, even if you are very busy.
>>
>> Be calm and patient in every situation.
>>
>> Make time for people you care about.
>>
>> My note- With respect to saving of money, I do not agree with point. A
>> person may require a huge amount of money, even if healthy, when any
>> problem occurs to him. Nothing will be equal to saved money. One may not
>> get money at the required moment from any one. So, after death let it go
>> to wards and wife. Saved money is important, after spending for
>> necessary things.
>>
>> Q4      Have you experienced miracles from Lord Shiva?
>>
>> A4      Urvil Sarvasva, Trying to stand still in this spinning world.12h
>>
>> I use to do abhishek of Shiva when I was in the UK at my aunts place and
>> when I returned to India and stayed at my grand father’s place, they also
>> had a shiv ling which I used to abhishek.
>>
>> When I moved in to my new apartment I felt that I need to have a shiv
>> ling but with a thought that I do not wish to purchase it. It has to
>> come to me. It was a simple thought and with no sense of ego or
>> questioning god.
>>
>> Time passed and one day I was searching for my car key that I had given
>> to the security guard and I got my hands on a shiv lingam that was just
>> there in a rusty drawer of a table.
>>
>> I asked the security guy, who does it belong to and he said ‘don't know’.
>> After giving some thought, I brought it home.
>>
>> I purchased the stand on which shiv lingam is kept. I lovingly call it
>> Asthireshwar (the one that is not steady, it keeps wobbling).
>>
>> You can call it a miracle or a coincidence but I asked for Shiva to come
>> to me and he came.
>>
>> Happy Mahashivratri. Har Har Mahadev.
>>
>> Q5      If Earth exists in a million years, will humans still look the
>> same as now?
>>
>> A5      Mark Daly, follows evolution discoveries6h
>>
>> Well, first, the Earth will exist in a million years because planets are
>> quite hard to destroy. As an example, about 66 million years ago a rock
>> that was about 10 kilometers (6.2 miles) in diameter hit the planet and
>> caused a mass extinction event that affected about 75% of all life. The
>> Earth, however, survived just fine.
>>
>> As for humans, Homo erectus (Latin: upright human) evolved as a distinct
>> species about 2 million years ago. They were still the dominant form of
>> human 1 million years later. So, what did humans look like 1 million
>> years ago?
>>
>> There were no pale-skinned people. No blue-eyed people. No blond-haired
>> people. If you had asked someone living 1 million years ago (in a way
>> they could understand) they would never predict pale-skin, blue or green
>> or gray eyes, or even yellow or red hair 1 million years later.
>>
>> We cannot say  what humans will look like in 1 million years. The body
>> plan will generally be the same if humans survive that long. Remember,
>> humans have only existed for 2 million years. Our current form, Homo
>> sapiens, has only been around for about 300,000 years.
>>
>> You cannot predict what evolution will do.
>>
>> Q6      Who is the most underrated scientist of all time?
>>
>> A6      Jack Fraser-Govil, Doctor of Physics, Writer of Code, Player of
>> Games Updated 7y
>>
>> During her lifetime, Emmy Noether was hated by the establishment - and
>> they almost forced her into obscurity.
>>
>> Emmy Noether is probably the most important woman in all of science (in
>> competition with Curie) and definitely the most important woman in
>> mathematics. She was insanely talented and had an understanding of maths
>> which was just astounding.
>>
>> She wasn’t actually allowed to attend university - she could only
>> “audit” classes - not actually attend them, and required every lecturer
>> to approve of her presence (which many of them didn’t).
>>
>> Then she was invited to Göttingen by Hilbert - despite the other
>> faculties almost rioting at the idea of a woman being a member of staff.
>> For the first few years of teaching, she was not paid at all. Virtually
>> nobody attended her lectures - since they were being given by a woman (the
>> accounts I have read of people who did attend say she was a fantastic
>> lecturer).
>>
>> The other members of the department would, being frustrated with people
>> not attending her lectures, pretend they were giving a lecture - which
>> Noether would then give (people would walk out as soon as she walked in).
>>
>> Despite this active hatred from the university - she produced some of the
>> most important and fundamental work in mathematics and physics of the
>> era (less flashy than Einstein - but pretty damn important!)
>>
>> Her list of “contributions to maths and physics” section on Wikipedia is
>> longer than Einstein’s - and second only to Dirac in volume. Her most
>> famous theory - Noether's theorem is one of the most fundamental
>> relationships we have - it links conservation laws to symmetries in space
>> and time. It is beautiful in its simplicity.
>>
>> On top of this, she was renowned for being a genuinely caring human
>> being. To quote Wikipedia:
>>
>>
>>
>>     In addition to her mathematical insight, Noether was respected for
>> her consideration of others. Although she sometimes acted rudely toward
>> those who disagreed with her, she nevertheless gained a reputation for
>> constant helpfulness and patient guidance of new students…. A colleague
>> later described her this way: "Completely unegotistical and free of vanity,
>> she never claimed anything for herself, but promoted the works of her
>> students above all."
>>
>> Q7      What are some of the greatest examples of presence of mind?
>>
>> A7      Elango Venkateshan, Complete Vegetarian, not Tuesday, Friday
>> Updated 5y
>>
>> I was too weak in English language and I had stage fright too during my
>> graduation.
>>
>> In my college, they conducted Cambridge Business English Certification
>> training program.
>>
>> We were divided into groups and each group had 5 members in it.Each group
>> was provided 5 questions. Each member should answer for a question for at
>> least 2 mins.
>>
>> My question was 'you could go anywhere in the world, where you would like
>> to go and why you want to go?’.
>>
>> I tried hard to form the sentences but I couldn't.
>>
>> Finally my turn had come.
>>
>> I was standing in front of 60 people and I didn't even know what to tell.
>>
>> That's the time something suddenly sparked in my mind and I told that.
>>
>> Everyone in the class was clapping for that answer and trainer was too
>> happy about that.
>>
>> My question was 'you could go anywhere in the world, where you would like
>> to go and why you want to go?’.
>>
>> My answer was
>>
>> “I would like to go to my seat now. Because I am too nervous to stand
>> here.” :P
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