And I have given how you are as usual wrong Read it Your waiting outside the door is inevitable KR
On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 at 18:54, gopala krishnan <[email protected]> wrote: > Very correct Mr Rajaram. Many times I wrote to you- Don't give stick and > get blows. Yesterday only I wrote- Panchali Vaayal kettal > > Gopalakrishnan > > On Sunday, 10 March, 2024 at 11:17:15 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Fools utter foolishly KR > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: *gopala krishnan* <[email protected]> > Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 at 08:48 > Subject: Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: [iyer123] CULTURAL QA 03-2024-09 > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>, Patty > Thatha <[email protected]>, Iyer <[email protected]>, > Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]>, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> > > > So, Mr Rajaram, you admit you forgot Vedam. Do not change your words. So > you followed sikhism for 15 years. Very good information > Gopalakrishnan > > On Sunday, 10 March, 2024 at 06:53:28 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Muyalukku, how many legs? Narayana: ONLY THREE. nO KID FOUR; nARAYANA: no > no NETI NETI ONLY 3 mAMA YOU ARE NOT any authority over sikhism than Kaur; > Narayana: Neti neti; I read for 15 years under a world famous Guru > sikhism and for got even Vedam. Laughter all around as the kid Narayana > chuchu poittan- passed urine. > > On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 at 01:27, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Dear folks > > As predicted, habitual know-nothing boaster and garbage-collector, > rubbish-gatherer Rajaram K alias KR ex-IRS alias Karuppan-chaami alias > Cockroachmoorthy generates a lot of fog and hot air without any substance, > based on a quote by one emotional Jasneet Kaur. > > She has obviously not read, and is most likely not entitled to read, the > Guru Granth Sahib, the final authority on Sikhism. > > There, she will find references by Guru Nanak to both Sri Raam, and to > Lord Har Har (Mahadev) -- Lord Shiva --as the ultimate "naam" of God, to > which all Sikhs should pray. > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 1:39 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > CULTURAL QA 03202409 > > Q1 Which caste is considered the Brahmin caste in Andhra Pradesh? > What are their surnames? > > KR And this joker remembers that but forgot that I wrote about all classes > of brahmins including YM question on Niyogi. But he archived it and slowly > rolling out now. Pennywise but pound…..or found > > Q2 Was Guru Nanak Ji a real devotee of Lord Rama as he talked a lot > about Raam Naam and Raam Bhakti in his verses? > > KR Hoe callously Gopala and Narayana write as Ram and shiva > worshipper is Guru nanak? The real Guru Nanak is: > > ” Gyankosh: An Interdisciplinary Journal ISSN : 2581-8252 > > Special Volume, November 2019 > > To Commemorate 550th Birth Anniversary of Guru Nanak Dev Ji > > THE VIEWS OF GURU NANAK ON HINDUISM AND ISLAM > > Jasneet Kaur > > The notion and essence of present religions i.e. Hinduism and Islam during > the time of Guru Nanak incite him not to recognize himself with any of > them. Infact, he utilizes such concept to judge all present religious > theory and process. For Guru Nanak, ‘the true believer does not adopt a > marga; he does not belong to a path; he is concerned with truereligion > alone.’ > > For Guru Nanak, spiritual knowledge is the basis of perfect divinity like > other great saints. He was against the constituents of present religion > which create caste discrimination, narrow-mindedness, sectarian divisions > and all formalities. He appeared to brighten the life of people from false > beliefs and prejudices. Nanak tried to inculcate logic behind every > religious practice so that all men should not follow it blindly. In this > way he was able to provide clear idea of religion. It resolves the malaise > of doubt, thus supplied a ray of hope.1 > > The invasion of Muslims had effected the cultural development of India > immensely. At that time, Punjab had to face Muslim arms as well as culture > which entered India. The Punjab was under the Muslim rule in the fifteenth > century than any other state. The Muslim saints and faqirs were penetrated > in the towns and villages of Punjab. The thoughtful environment was created > by such saints in people. It prepared ground for integration of ideas that > could take place2. In such atmosphere of gloom and blindness, saints and > prophets come to recover it from unpleasantness.3 In such world, Mehta Kalu > (an accountant) was blessed with a son, Nanak, a name common to both Hindus > and Musalmans.4 In the history, Guru Nanak is one among great men whose > reflection was preserved in the sentiments of people and whose personality > go beyond time and space. > > Infact, he was associated great men who are not the proprietorship > of any particular creed or religion, but universal to entire human race. > The subsequent well-known statement of the Punjab clearly represents the > public perception of regard and honor for him: > > During the whole life, Guru Nanak constantly tried to unite different > communities and cultural groups of India and teach them the doctrine of > truth, love, honesty and moral virtue.5 Guru Nanak was born at a time, when > the essence of religion had disappeared. Both the Hindus and the Muslims > had identified their religion with rituals or ceremonies.6 In the views of > Indu Bushan Benerjee, Guru Nanak was generally a critic of formalism and > ritualism in Islam and Hinduism. He instructed both the Hindus and Muslims > to be truthful to their own religion. > > A comprehensive intimacy was acknowledged in the compositions of Guru > Nanak with the contemporary Hinduism and Islam. He referred to the Vedas; > discussed about Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh; four-fold ‘blessings’ of life: > dharma, artha, karma and moksha; three ways of liberation: jnana, karma and > bhakti. At various times, Hindu and Muslim usual procedure is specified > simultaneously. However, quite frequently references to Islam stand apart. > Guru Nanak discusses about Allah and the Prophet, the Quran, the shari’at, > and the prophets; he also discusses about the ulama and the mashaikh, pirs, > walis, qalandars and dervishes and the salik and the faqir. He indicates to > some of the utmost practices of Islam. > > We may first examine Guru Nanak’s views towards Hinduism.7 It is > preciselycertain that from the point of view of Guru Nanak, the Hindu > sacred writings were completely inappropriate to restoration. To hear or to > read, to write (expositions) or to comprehend them was to accumulate mere > ‘burden’. Guru Nanak’s view towards Hindu deities is not much distinct from > his view towards the Hindu texts. He says, without Guru’s sabad, Brahma, > Vishnu and Mahesh were as much ‘miserable’ as sansara in general. Guru > Nanak’s denial of Hindu texts and deities is closely linked with his > disapproval of accustomed practices and ways of prayer. > > He identifies no merit in pilgrimage to religious places (tirath). For > absolute devout, the association of saints is the actual tirath. The true > tirath is in the Name and the sabad. There is no tirath like the Guru. Guru > Nanak encourages people to pray to the Lord, in place of the salagram; he > addresses them to use truthful living as the rosary of tulsi. > > Nanak has no compassion for established practice of Hindu deity and the > sacraments and adherences related with it. Neither Jap nor tap, nor living > at tiraths, was of any use without the True One. Guru Nanak believes that > trust in the One Lord means putting a real tilak on one’s forehead. For > Guru Nanak, the understanding of the only one God includes in it all > traditional prayer and generosity. > > Regarding the real Pandit, Guru Nanak says that he is one who rightly > recognizesand perceives the one in everybody. The true Pandit embraces > God’s Name. WithoutTrue Name, the tilak-mark and the sacred thread of the > twice-born remain worthless. Thebelief in the Boundless one and His sabad > is more worthwhile than, Japa, tapa, sanjamand the path of puranas. No > fasting will decide the dignity one shall earn; it relies uponthe true > action.8 > > Guru Nanak’s view towards contemporary Islam is very much like to his view > towards Hinduism. In Guru Nanak’s view, Muhammad was a paighambar but not > the‘seal of the prophets.’ In addition, Guru Nanak emphasizes the charm as > well as the superiority of Allah, reasonably to bring home the point by > mere loyalty to Islam, one could not assure pardon. Each and every one > hears and talk about Him; but no one honestly acknowledge His virtue. The > Pirs, paighambars, saliks, sadiqs, faqirs and shahids; Shaikhs, qazis and > mullas and darvishes—all admire Allah through their prayers (durud), in > desire of forthcoming blessings (barkat). But, (Allah) He observes > everybody and favors His grace on whomsoever He wills. > > Guru Nanak criticizes the qazis for their negligence. He appreciates the > qazi to regulate his action to his occupation and thereby evolve as a true > musulman. Guru Nanak\ says that Sheer talk at no time can lead to paradise; > liberation lies in right action. > > Falsehood brings about only falsehood. > > Besides this, the qazi is suggested to consider good action as his Kalima > and to reinstate his five daily prayers with five doctrines of action and > prayer; truth (sachch) flawful earning (halal), wishing well of others > (khair), right aspiration (niyat) and appreciation of the Lord (sifat, > sana). The five daily prayers, the recitation or study of the Quran and the > delight of the table will be left behind; even the well informed ‘sink’ > likes the vessel that has a hole at its bottom. Only he is a qazi who > eliminate himself and who absolutely recognize God who ever was, is and > shall be for all time, the True Creator. In addition, the Shaikh as well as > qazi is destined to be left chained in the wheel of transmigration if he > does not become aware of that only noble deeds are repaid. > > In guiding the Mualsmans, Guru Nanak turns up to pick the way of the > Sufis. The Muslmans applause the Shari’at : they read and think about > seriously; but only those are the true servants who, to see His face, > become his slave (banda).9 Guru Nanak advocates the Muslmans to create > gentleness their mosque and goodwill prayer-mat, to constitute fairly > earned food their Quran, and timidness and politeness their Ka’ba, and > truth their pir; to realize God’s grace as their kalima and namaz; and to > form raza their rosary, undoubtedly. > > To be a muslman is ardous; only those who are true musalman should be > called so. They should first accept the religion of the auliya and regard > surrender as a record that gets rid of the rust (of the mirror). Only then > they become muslmans when they live their religion and expel all thoughts > of life and death. They should approve God’s legal order most cheerfully, > faith in Him as the true Creator and fade themselves. Only then may they > secure his grace (rahmat) and only then shall they be true muslmans. There > is no confusion that Guru Nanak disagrees with the ‘orthodox’ in the > wording of the Sufis, and, in doing so, reveal inclination for the latter. > > Anyhow, this relative gratitude for the Sufis path should not lead us to > conclude that Guru Nanak appreciate of the contemporary Sufis. He supports > the qazi and the Shaikh in many ways—In Rag Gauri, for instance, they are > supported as of suffering from haumai: > > They think too much of themselves. A real dervish while he lives is dead > and leaves behind everything to unite with his creator.10 In the views of > Guru Nanak towards contemporary religions, he demonstrates little > admiration for the established orders of his time. He rejects Hindu and > Muslim texts cannot lead to salvation. He observed Muhammad and his > religion as one of the diverse explanation of God’s creation. He attribute > to Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva as ways, which propose that he acquired their > presence as real, but they emerge as the creatures of God, deprived of all > functions and subject to maya and to death. > > Endnotes > > 1 J.R. Puri, “The Mystic Teachings of Guru Nanak”, Perspectives on Guru > Nanak Seminar Papers (ed.) Harbans Singh, Religious Studies, Punjabi > University, Patiala, 1975, pp. 170-172. > > 2 Tara Chand, Influence of Islam on Indian Culture, Indian Press Pvt. > Ltd., Allahabad, 1936, p. 136. > > 3 K.A. Nizami, “Some Social and Religious ideals of Guru Nanak,” > Perspectives on Guru Nanak Seminar Papers (ed.), Harbans Singh, Religious > Studies, Punjabi University, Patiala, 1975, p.151. > > 4 Tara Chand, Influence of Islam on Indian Culture, p. 166. > > 5 K.A. Nizami, “Some Social and Religious ideals of Guru Nanak,” p.151. > > 6 J.R. Puri, “The Mystic Teachings of Guru Nanak”, p. 170. > > 7 J.R. Puri, “The Mystic Teachings of Guru Nanak”, pp. 201-202. > > 8 J.S. Grewal, Guru Nanak in History, Publication Bureau, Chandigarh, > 1979, pp. 206-215. > > 9 J.S. Grewal, Guru Nanak in History, pp. 228-230. > > 10 J.S. Grewal, Guru Nanak in History, pp. 231-232. > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: *'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty* <[email protected]> > Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 at 20:54 > Subject: Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: [iyer123] CULTURAL QA 03-2024-09 > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>, Patty > Thatha <[email protected]>, Iyer <[email protected]>, > Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> > > > Thank you sir for reading the QA and responding with addition > Gopalakrishnan > > On Sunday, 10 March, 2024 at 06:58:39 am IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear folks > > "Q2 Was Guru Nanak Ji a real devotee of Lord Rama as he talked a lot > about Raam Naam and Raam Bhakti in his verses?" > > My comments:- If one studies the Guru Granth Sahib with attention, one > will note that Guru Nanak also prayed to "Har Har (Mahadev)", i.e. Lord > Shiva. > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 4:30 PM 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123 < > [email protected]> wrote: > > CULTURAL QA 03-2024-09 > > All the below QA are from Quora DIGEST to me on 09-03-2024. > > Selected quora answers generally interesting including jokes are included > Still they need not be 100% correct answers. I am only a compiler. > > Compiled and posted by R. Gopala Krishnan, 80, on 09-03-2024. > > Q1 Which caste is considered the Brahmin caste in Andhra Pradesh? > What are their surnames? > > A1 Joseph Taylor,Handsome guy20h > > In Andhra Pradesh, the Brahmin caste is traditionally known as the Niyogi > Brahmins. They are one of the predominant Brahmin communities in the > state and are known for their involvement in various priestly, scholarly, > and intellectual roles. > > Some common surnames among Niyogi Brahmins in Andhra Pradesh include: > > 1. Sharma 2. Joshi 3. Dixit 4. Trivedi > > 5. Upadhyay 6. Bhatt 7. Chaturvedi 8. Acharya 9. Pandit 10. > Mishra > > These are just a few examples, and there may be many other surnames > associated with the Niyogi Brahmin community in Andhra Pradesh, depending > on regional and family-specific variations. > > My note- Our member Mr Yeddanapudim had once wrote in groups that he is > a Niyogi Brahmin, I recollect. > > Q2 Was Guru Nanak Ji a real devotee of Lord Rama as he talked a lot > about Raam Naam and Raam Bhakti in his verses? > > A2 Sant Kabir talked about 4 kinds of Ram — > > Ayodhya's Prince. The son of Dashrath. In the original Ramayan, Ram is > just an ordinary human prince with the best of noble qualities. There is > nothing magical or mystical in the original Ramayan. > > The second one is the human mind that controls and runs the humans and > hence the world. It is responsible for all the bad actions of humans too. > > The third one is the creator of this whole existence. The one that has > come into expression. > > The fourth one is the Supreme one. The source of all and everything. The > source of life and soul. The humanity or even the Devtas are not aware of > the Supreme being. This power is the source of all souls. > > Whenever Guru Nanak talk about his “Ram", he is talking about the fourth > Ram. It is the very source of consciousness, the source of all souls, > including the life/souls of Devi/Devtas of all religions. Most religions > have the knowledge or revelation upto the third Ram (God) only who is the > manifestor of whole creation. > > But the Supreme Lord is even higher and subtler than the creator of 3 > worlds. He has no form or limits. It expresses itself through the highest > order Saints like Sant Kabir, Guru Nanak, etc. He's the one Ram, The one > God that Guru Nanak repeatedly talks about. > > Q3 What is important in life? > > A3 Rakshith Akira, A Sensible Writer 5y > > When we die, our money remains in the bank. > > Yet, when we are alive, we don't have enough money to spend. > > In reality, when we are gone, there is still a lot of money not spent. > > One business tycoon in China passed away. His widow wife, was left with > $2.5 billion in the bank, and married her husband's chauffeur (Car driver). > > His chauffeur said, All the while, I thought I was working for my boss > it is only now, that I realise that my boss was all the time, working for > me !!! > > The cruel reality is,It is more important to live longer than to have more > wealth. So, we must strive to have a strong and healthy body. > > In a high end hand phone, 75% of the functions are useless! > > For an expensive car, 75% of the speed and gadgets are not needed. > > We never contact 75% of people in our contact list. > > If you own a luxurious villa or mansion, 75% of the space is usually not > used or occupied. > > How about your wardrobes of clothes?75% of them are not worn! > > A whole life of work and earning. Still, we spend 75% of our earning on > other people. > > So, we must protect and make full use of our 25%. > > Go for medical check-ups even if not sick. > > Drink more water, even if not thirsty. > > Learn to let go, even if faced with grave problems. > > Endeavour to give in, even if you are in the right. > > Learn to forgive people. > > Remain humble, even if you are very rich and powerful. > > Learn to be contented, even if you are not rich. > > Exercise your mind and body, even if you are very busy. > > Be calm and patient in every situation. > > Make time for people you care about. > > My note- With respect to saving of money, I do not agree with point. A > person may require a huge amount of money, even if healthy, when any > problem occurs to him. Nothing will be equal to saved money. One may not > get money at the required moment from any one. So, after death let it go > to wards and wife. Saved money is important, after spending for necessary > things. > > Q4 Have you experienced miracles from Lord Shiva? > > A4 Urvil Sarvasva, Trying to stand still in this spinning world.12h > > I use to do abhishek of Shiva when I was in the UK at my aunts place and > when I returned to India and stayed at my grand father’s place, they also > had a shiv ling which I used to abhishek. > > When I moved in to my new apartment I felt that I need to have a shiv ling > but with a thought that I do not wish to purchase it. It has to come to me. > It was a simple thought and with no sense of ego or questioning god. > > Time passed and one day I was searching for my car key that I had given > to the security guard and I got my hands on a shiv lingam that was just > there in a rusty drawer of a table. > > I asked the security guy, who does it belong to and he said ‘don't know’. > After giving some thought, I brought it home. > > I purchased the stand on which shiv lingam is kept. I lovingly call it > Asthireshwar (the one that is not steady, it keeps wobbling). > > You can call it a miracle or a coincidence but I asked for Shiva to come > to me and he came. > > Happy Mahashivratri. Har Har Mahadev. > > Q5 If Earth exists in a million years, will humans still look the > same as now? > > A5 Mark Daly, follows evolution discoveries6h > > Well, first, the Earth will exist in a million years because planets are > quite hard to destroy. As an example, about 66 million years ago a rock > that was about 10 kilometers (6.2 miles) in diameter hit the planet and > caused a mass extinction event that affected about 75% of all life. The > Earth, however, survived just fine. > > As for humans, Homo erectus (Latin: upright human) evolved as a distinct > species about 2 million years ago. They were still the dominant form of > human 1 million years later. So, what did humans look like 1 million > years ago? > > There were no pale-skinned people. No blue-eyed people. No blond-haired > people. If you had asked someone living 1 million years ago (in a way > they could understand) they would never predict pale-skin, blue or green > or gray eyes, or even yellow or red hair 1 million years later. > > We cannot say what humans will look like in 1 million years. The body > plan will generally be the same if humans survive that long. Remember, > humans have only existed for 2 million years. Our current form, Homo > sapiens, has only been around for about 300,000 years. > > You cannot predict what evolution will do. > > Q6 Who is the most underrated scientist of all time? > > A6 Jack Fraser-Govil, Doctor of Physics, Writer of Code, Player of > Games Updated 7y > > During her lifetime, Emmy Noether was hated by the establishment - and > they almost forced her into obscurity. > > Emmy Noether is probably the most important woman in all of science (in > competition with Curie) and definitely the most important woman in > mathematics. She was insanely talented and had an understanding of maths > which was just astounding. > > She wasn’t actually allowed to attend university - she could only “audit” > classes - not actually attend them, and required every lecturer to > approve of her presence (which many of them didn’t). > > Then she was invited to Göttingen by Hilbert - despite the other > faculties almost rioting at the idea of a woman being a member of staff. > For the first few years of teaching, she was not paid at all. Virtually > nobody attended her lectures - since they were being given by a woman (the > accounts I have read of people who did attend say she was a fantastic > lecturer). > > The other members of the department would, being frustrated with people > not attending her lectures, pretend they were giving a lecture - which > Noether would then give (people would walk out as soon as she walked in). > > Despite this active hatred from the university - she produced some of the > most important and fundamental work in mathematics and physics of the era > (less flashy than Einstein - but pretty damn important!) > > Her list of “contributions to maths and physics” section on Wikipedia is > longer than Einstein’s - and second only to Dirac in volume. Her most > famous theory - Noether's theorem is one of the most fundamental > relationships we have - it links conservation laws to symmetries in space > and time. It is beautiful in its simplicity. > > On top of this, she was renowned for being a genuinely caring human being. > To quote Wikipedia: > > > > In addition to her mathematical insight, Noether was respected for > her consideration of others. Although she sometimes acted rudely toward > those who disagreed with her, she nevertheless gained a reputation for > constant helpfulness and patient guidance of new students…. A colleague > later described her this way: "Completely unegotistical and free of vanity, > she never claimed anything for herself, but promoted the works of her > students above all." > > Q7 What are some of the greatest examples of presence of mind? > > A7 Elango Venkateshan, Complete Vegetarian, not Tuesday, Friday > Updated 5y > > I was too weak in English language and I had stage fright too during my > graduation. > > In my college, they conducted Cambridge Business English Certification > training program. > > We were divided into groups and each group had 5 members in it.Each group > was provided 5 questions. Each member should answer for a question for at > least 2 mins. > > My question was 'you could go anywhere in the world, where you would like > to go and why you want to go?’. > > I tried hard to form the sentences but I couldn't. > > Finally my turn had come. > > I was standing in front of 60 people and I didn't even know what to tell. > > That's the time something suddenly sparked in my mind and I told that. > > Everyone in the class was clapping for that answer and trainer was too > happy about that. > > My question was 'you could go anywhere in the world, where you would like > to go and why you want to go?’. > > My answer was > > “I would like to go to my seat now. 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