Very correct Mr Rajaram. Many times I wrote to you- Don't give stick and get
blows. Yesterday only I wrote- Panchali Vaayal kettal
Gopalakrishnan
On Sunday, 10 March, 2024 at 11:17:15 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy
<[email protected]> wrote:
Fools utter foolishly KR
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From: gopala krishnan <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 at 08:48
Subject: Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: [iyer123] CULTURAL QA 03-2024-09
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>, Patty Thatha
<[email protected]>, Iyer <[email protected]>, Narayanaswamy
Iyer <[email protected]>, Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]>
So, Mr Rajaram, you admit you forgot Vedam. Do not change your words. So you
followed sikhism for 15 years. Very good informationGopalakrishnan
On Sunday, 10 March, 2024 at 06:53:28 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy
<[email protected]> wrote:
Muyalukku, how many legs? Narayana: ONLY THREE. nO KID FOUR; nARAYANA: no no
NETI NETI ONLY 3 mAMA YOU ARE NOT any authority over sikhism than Kaur;
Narayana: Neti neti; I read for 15 years under a world famous Guru sikhism and
for got even Vedam. Laughter all around as the kid Narayana chuchu poittan-
passed urine.
On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 at 01:27, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear folks
As predicted, habitual know-nothing boaster and garbage-collector,
rubbish-gatherer Rajaram K alias KR ex-IRS alias Karuppan-chaami alias
Cockroachmoorthy generates a lot of fog and hot air without any substance,
based on a quote by one emotional Jasneet Kaur.
She has obviously not read, and is most likely not entitled to read, the Guru
Granth Sahib, the final authority on Sikhism.
There, she will find references by Guru Nanak to both Sri Raam, and to Lord Har
Har (Mahadev) -- Lord Shiva --as the ultimate "naam" of God, to which all Sikhs
should pray.
S Narayanaswamy Iyer
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 1:39 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <[email protected]>
wrote:
CULTURAL QA 03202409
Q1 Which casteis considered the Brahmin caste in Andhra Pradesh? What are
their surnames?
KR And this joker remembers that but forgot that I wrote aboutall classes of
brahmins including YM question on Niyogi. But he archived it andslowly rolling
out now. Pennywise but pound…..or found
Q2 Was GuruNanak Ji a real devotee of Lord Rama as he talked a lot about
Raam Naam andRaam Bhakti in his verses?
KR Hoecallously Gopala and Narayana write as Ram and shiva worshipper is
Guru nanak?The real Guru Nanak is:
” Gyankosh: An Interdisciplinary Journal ISSN :2581-8252
Special Volume, November 2019
To Commemorate 550th Birth Anniversary of Guru Nanak DevJi
THE VIEWS OF GURU NANAK ON HINDUISM AND ISLAM
Jasneet Kaur
The notion and essence of present religions i.e. Hinduismand Islam during the
time of Guru Nanak incite him not to recognize himselfwith any of them. Infact,
he utilizes such concept to judge all presentreligious theory and process.For
Guru Nanak, ‘the true believer does not adopt a marga; he does not belongto a
path; he is concerned with truereligion alone.’
For Guru Nanak, spiritual knowledge is the basis ofperfect divinity like other
great saints. He was against the constituents ofpresent religion which create
caste discrimination, narrow-mindedness,sectarian divisions and all
formalities. He appeared to brighten the life ofpeople from false beliefs and
prejudices. Nanak tried to inculcate logic behindevery religious practice so
that all men should not follow it blindly. In this wayhe was able to provide
clear idea of religion. It resolves the malaise ofdoubt, thus supplied a ray of
hope.1
The invasion of Muslims had effected the culturaldevelopment of India
immensely. At that time, Punjab had to face Muslim arms aswell as culture which
entered India. The Punjab was under the Muslim rule inthe fifteenth century
than any other state. The Muslim saints and faqirs werepenetrated in the towns
and villages of Punjab. The thoughtful environment wascreated by such saints in
people. It prepared ground for integration of ideasthat could take place2. In
such atmosphere of gloom and blindness, saints andprophets come to recover it
from unpleasantness.3 In such world, Mehta Kalu (anaccountant) was blessed with
a son, Nanak, a name common to both Hindus and Musalmans.4In the history, Guru
Nanak is one among great men whose reflection waspreserved in the sentiments of
people and whose personality go beyond time andspace.
Infact, he was associated great men who arenot the proprietorship of any
particular creed or religion, but universal toentire human race. The subsequent
well-known statement of the Punjab clearlyrepresents the public perception of
regard and honor for him:
During the whole life, Guru Nanak constantly tried tounite different
communities and cultural groups of India and teach them thedoctrine of truth,
love, honesty and moral virtue.5 Guru Nanak was born at atime, when the essence
of religion had disappeared. Both the Hindus and theMuslims had identified
their religion with rituals or ceremonies.6 In the viewsof Indu Bushan
Benerjee, Guru Nanak was generally a critic of formalism and ritualismin Islam
and Hinduism. He instructed both the Hindus and Muslims to be truthfulto their
own religion.
A comprehensive intimacy was acknowledged in thecompositions of Guru Nanak with
the contemporary Hinduism and Islam. Hereferred to the Vedas; discussed about
Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh; four-fold‘blessings’ of life: dharma, artha, karma
and moksha; three ways of liberation:jnana, karma and bhakti. At various times,
Hindu and Muslim usual procedure isspecified simultaneously. However, quite
frequently references to Islam standapart. Guru Nanak discusses about Allah and
the Prophet, the Quran, theshari’at, and the prophets; he also discusses about
the ulama and the mashaikh,pirs, walis, qalandars and dervishes and the salik
and the faqir. He indicatesto some of the utmost practices of Islam.
We may first examine Guru Nanak’s views towards Hinduism.7It is
preciselycertain that from the point of view of Guru Nanak, the Hindusacred
writings were completely inappropriate to restoration. To hear or toread, to
write (expositions) or to comprehend them was to accumulate mere‘burden’. Guru
Nanak’s view towards Hindu deities is not much distinct from hisview towards
the Hindu texts. He says, without Guru’s sabad, Brahma, Vishnu andMahesh were
as much ‘miserable’ as sansara in general. Guru Nanak’s denial ofHindu texts
and deities is closely linked with his disapproval of accustomedpractices and
ways of prayer.
He identifies no merit in pilgrimage to religious places(tirath). For absolute
devout, the association of saints is the actual tirath.The true tirath is in
the Name and the sabad. There is no tirath like the Guru.Guru Nanak encourages
people to pray to the Lord, in place of the salagram; headdresses them to use
truthful living as the rosary of tulsi.
Nanak has no compassion for established practice of Hindudeity and the
sacraments and adherences related with it. Neither Jap nor tap,nor living at
tiraths, was of any use without the True One. Guru Nanak believesthat trust in
the One Lord means putting a real tilak on one’s forehead. ForGuru Nanak, the
understanding of the only one God includes in it alltraditional prayer and
generosity.
Regarding the real Pandit, Guru Nanak says that he is onewho rightly
recognizesand perceives the one in everybody. The true Panditembraces God’s
Name. WithoutTrue Name, the tilak-mark and the sacred thread ofthe twice-born
remain worthless. Thebelief in the Boundless one and His sabadis more
worthwhile than, Japa, tapa, sanjamand the path of puranas. No fastingwill
decide the dignity one shall earn; it relies uponthe true action.8
Guru Nanak’s view towards contemporary Islam is very muchlike to his view
towards Hinduism. In Guru Nanak’s view, Muhammad was apaighambar but not
the‘seal of the prophets.’ In addition, Guru Nanakemphasizes the charm as well
as the superiority of Allah, reasonably to bringhome the point by mere loyalty
to Islam, one could not assure pardon. Each andevery one hears and talk about
Him; but no one honestly acknowledge His virtue.The Pirs, paighambars, saliks,
sadiqs, faqirs and shahids; Shaikhs, qazis andmullas and darvishes—all admire
Allah through their prayers (durud), in desireof forthcoming blessings
(barkat). But, (Allah) He observes everybody andfavors His grace on whomsoever
He wills.
Guru Nanak criticizes the qazis for their negligence. Heappreciates the qazi to
regulate his action to his occupation and therebyevolve as a true musulman.
Guru Nanak\ says that Sheer talk at no time can leadto paradise; liberation
lies in right action.
Falsehood brings about only falsehood.
Besides this, the qazi is suggested to consider goodaction as his Kalima and to
reinstate his five daily prayers with fivedoctrines of action and prayer; truth
(sachch) flawful earning (halal), wishingwell of others (khair), right
aspiration (niyat) and appreciation of the Lord(sifat, sana). The five daily
prayers, the recitation or study of the Quran andthe delight of the table will
be left behind; even the well informed ‘sink’likes the vessel that has a hole
at its bottom. Only he is a qazi who eliminatehimself and who absolutely
recognize God who ever was, is and shall be for alltime, the True Creator. In
addition, the Shaikh as well as qazi is destined tobe left chained in the wheel
of transmigration if he does not become aware ofthat only noble deeds are
repaid.
In guiding the Mualsmans, Guru Nanak turns up to pick theway of the Sufis. The
Muslmans applause the Shari’at : they read and thinkabout seriously; but only
those are the true servants who, to see His face,become his slave (banda).9
Guru Nanak advocates the Muslmans to creategentleness their mosque and goodwill
prayer-mat, to constitute fairly earnedfood their Quran, and timidness and
politeness their Ka’ba, and truth theirpir; to realize God’s grace as their
kalima and namaz; and to form raza theirrosary, undoubtedly.
To be a muslman is ardous; only those who are truemusalman should be called so.
They should first accept the religion of theauliya and regard surrender as a
record that gets rid of the rust (of themirror). Only then they become muslmans
when they live their religion and expelall thoughts of life and death. They
should approve God’s legal order mostcheerfully, faith in Him as the true
Creator and fade themselves. Only then maythey secure his grace (rahmat) and
only then shall they be true muslmans. Thereis no confusion that Guru Nanak
disagrees with the ‘orthodox’ in the wording ofthe Sufis, and, in doing so,
reveal inclination for the latter.
Anyhow, this relative gratitude for the Sufis path shouldnot lead us to
conclude that Guru Nanak appreciate of the contemporary Sufis.He supports the
qazi and the Shaikh in many ways—In Rag Gauri, for instance,they are supported
as of suffering from haumai:
They think too much of themselves. A real dervish while helives is dead and
leaves behind everything to unite with his creator.10 In theviews of Guru Nanak
towards contemporary religions, he demonstrates little admirationfor the
established orders of his time. He rejects Hindu and Muslim texts cannotlead to
salvation. He observed Muhammad and his religion as one of the diverse
explanationof God’s creation. He attribute to Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva as ways,
which proposethat he acquired their presence as real, but they emerge as the
creatures ofGod, deprived of all functions and subject to maya and to death.
Endnotes
1 J.R. Puri, “The Mystic Teachings of Guru Nanak”,Perspectives on Guru Nanak
Seminar Papers (ed.) Harbans Singh, ReligiousStudies, Punjabi University,
Patiala, 1975, pp. 170-172.
2 Tara Chand, Influence of Islam on Indian Culture, IndianPress Pvt. Ltd.,
Allahabad, 1936, p. 136.
3 K.A. Nizami, “Some Social and Religious ideals of GuruNanak,” Perspectives on
Guru Nanak Seminar Papers (ed.), Harbans Singh,Religious Studies, Punjabi
University, Patiala, 1975, p.151.
4 Tara Chand, Influence of Islam on Indian Culture, p.166.
5 K.A. Nizami, “Some Social and Religious ideals of GuruNanak,” p.151.
6 J.R. Puri, “The Mystic Teachings of Guru Nanak”, p. 170.
7 J.R. Puri, “The Mystic Teachings of Guru Nanak”, pp.201-202.
8 J.S. Grewal, Guru Nanak in History, Publication Bureau,Chandigarh, 1979, pp.
206-215.
9 J.S. Grewal, Guru Nanak in History, pp. 228-230.
10 J.S. Grewal, Guru Nanak in History, pp. 231-232.
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From: 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty <[email protected]>
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2024 at 20:54
Subject: Re: [KeralaIyers] Re: [iyer123] CULTURAL QA 03-2024-09
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>, Patty Thatha
<[email protected]>, Iyer <[email protected]>, Narayanaswamy
Iyer <[email protected]>
Thank you sir for reading the QA and responding with additionGopalakrishnan
On Sunday, 10 March, 2024 at 06:58:39 am IST, Narayanaswamy Iyer
<[email protected]> wrote:
Dear folks
"Q2 Was Guru Nanak Ji a real devotee of Lord Rama as he talked a lot about
Raam Naam and Raam Bhakti in his verses?"
My comments:- If one studies the Guru Granth Sahib with attention, one will
note that Guru Nanak also prayed to "Har Har (Mahadev)", i.e. Lord Shiva.
S Narayanaswamy Iyer
On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 4:30 PM 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123
<[email protected]> wrote:
CULTURAL QA 03-2024-09
Allthe below QA are from Quora DIGEST to me on 09-03-2024.
Selected quora answersgenerally interesting including jokes are included Still
they need not be 100% correct answers. I am only a compiler.
Compiled and posted by R. Gopala Krishnan, 80, on 09-03-2024.
Q1 Whichcaste is considered the Brahmin caste in Andhra Pradesh? What are
theirsurnames?
A1 JosephTaylor,Handsome guy20h
In Andhra Pradesh, the Brahmin caste is traditionallyknown as the
NiyogiBrahmins. They are one of the predominant Brahmin communities in thestate
and are known for their involvement in various priestly, scholarly,
andintellectual roles.
Some common surnames among Niyogi Brahmins in AndhraPradesh include:
1. Sharma 2.Joshi 3. Dixit 4. Trivedi
5. Upadhyay 6.Bhatt 7. Chaturvedi 8. Acharya 9.Pandit 10.
Mishra
These are just a few examples, and there may be manyother surnames associated
with the Niyogi Brahmin community in Andhra Pradesh,depending on regional and
family-specific variations.
My note- Our member Mr Yeddanapudim had once wrote in groups that heis a
Niyogi Brahmin, I recollect.
Q2 Was GuruNanak Ji a real devotee of Lord Rama as he talked a lot about
Raam Naam andRaam Bhakti in his verses?
A2 SantKabir talked about 4 kinds of Ram —
Ayodhya's Prince. The son of Dashrath. In the originalRamayan, Ram is just an
ordinary human prince with the best of noble qualities. There is nothing
magical ormystical in the original Ramayan.
The second oneis the human mind that controls and runs the humans and hence the
world. It is responsible for all thebad actions of humans too.
The third one isthe creator of this whole existence. The one that has come into
expression.
The fourth oneis the Supreme one. The source of all and everything. The source
of life and soul. Thehumanity or even theDevtas are not aware of the Supreme
being. This power is the source ofall souls.
Whenever Guru Nanak talk about his “Ram", he istalking about the fourth Ram. It
is the very source of consciousness, the source ofall souls, including the
life/souls of Devi/Devtas of all religions. Most religions have the knowledge
orrevelation upto the third Ram (God) only who is the manifestor of
wholecreation.
But the Supreme Lord is even higher and subtler thanthe creator of 3 worlds.
Hehas no form or limits. It expresses itself through the highest orderSaints
like Sant Kabir, Guru Nanak, etc. He's the one Ram, The one God that Guru Nanak
repeatedlytalks about.
Q3 What isimportant in life?
A3 RakshithAkira, A Sensible Writer 5y
When we die, ourmoney remains in the bank.
Yet, when we are alive, we don't have enough money tospend.
In reality, whenwe are gone, there is still a lot of money not spent.
One businesstycoon in China passed away. His widow wife, was leftwith $2.5
billion in the bank, and married her husband's chauffeur (Cardriver).
His chauffeur said, All the while, I thought I was working for my boss it is
only now, thatI realise that my boss was all the time, working for me !!!
The cruel reality is,It is more important to livelonger than to have more
wealth. So, we must strive to have a strong and healthy body.
In a high end hand phone, 75% of the functions areuseless!
For an expensive car, 75% of the speed and gadgetsare not needed.
We never contact 75% of people in our contact list.
If you own a luxurious villa or mansion, 75% of thespace is usually not used or
occupied.
How about your wardrobes of clothes?75% of them arenot worn!
A whole life of work and earning. Still, we spend 75%of our earning on other
people.
So, we must protect and make full use of our 25%.
Go for medical check-ups even if not sick.
Drink more water, even if not thirsty.
Learn to let go,even if faced with grave problems.
Endeavour to give in, even if you are in the right.
Learn to forgive people.
Remain humble, even if you are very rich andpowerful.
Learn to be contented, even if you are not rich.
Exercise your mind and body, even if you are verybusy.
Be calm and patient in every situation.
Make time for people you care about.
My note- With respect to saving of money, I do notagree with point.A person may
require a huge amount of money, even if healthy, when any problemoccurs to him.
Nothingwill be equal to saved money. One may not get money at the required
moment fromany one. So, afterdeath let it go to wards and wife. Saved money is
important, after spending fornecessary things.
Q4 Have youexperienced miracles from Lord Shiva?
A4 UrvilSarvasva, Trying to stand still in this spinning world.12h
I use to do abhishek of Shiva when I was in the UK atmy aunts place and when I
returned to India and stayed at my grand father’splace, they also had a shiv
ling which I used to abhishek.
When I moved in to my new apartment I felt that Ineed to have a shiv ling but
with a thought that I do not wish to purchase it. It has to come to me. Itwas a
simple thought and with no sense of ego or questioning god.
Time passed andone day I was searching for my car key that I had given to the
security guard and I got my hands on a shiv lingam thatwas just there in a
rusty drawer of a table.
I asked the security guy, who does it belong to andhe said ‘don't know’.After
giving some thought, I brought it home.
I purchased thestand on which shiv lingam is kept. I lovingly call it
Asthireshwar (the one that is not steady, it keepswobbling).
You can call it a miracle or a coincidence but I asked for Shiva to come to me
and he came.
Happy Mahashivratri. Har Har Mahadev.
Q5 If Earthexists in a million years, will humans still look the same as
now?
A5 MarkDaly, follows evolution discoveries6h
Well, first, the Earth will exist in a million years because planetsare quite
hard to destroy. As an example, about 66 millionyears ago a rock that was about
10 kilometers (6.2 miles) in diameter hit theplanet and caused a mass
extinction event that affected about 75% of all life.The Earth, however,
survivedjust fine.
As for humans, Homo erectus (Latin: upright human)evolved as a distinct species
about 2 million years ago. They were still the dominantform of human 1 million
years later. So, what did humans look like 1 million years ago?
There were nopale-skinned people. No blue-eyed people. No blond-haired people.
If you had asked someoneliving 1 million years ago (in a way they could
understand) they would never predict pale-skin,blue or green or gray eyes, or
even yellow or red hair 1 million years later.
We cannot say what humans will look like in 1 million years. The bodyplan will
generally be the same if humans survive that long. Remember, humanshave only
existed for 2 million years. Our current form, Homo sapiens,has only been
around for about 300,000 years.
You cannot predict what evolution will do.
Q6 Who isthe most underrated scientist of all time?
A6 JackFraser-Govil, Doctor of Physics, Writer of Code, Player of Games
Updated 7y
During her lifetime, Emmy Noether was hated by the establishment - andthey
almost forced her into obscurity.
Emmy Noether is probably the most important woman in allof science (in
competition with Curie) and definitely the most important woman in
mathematics.She was insanely talented and had an understanding of maths which
was justastounding.
She wasn’tactually allowed to attend university - shecould only “audit” classes
- not actually attend them, and requiredevery lecturer to approve of her
presence (which many of them didn’t).
Then she was invited to Göttingen by Hilbert - despite the other
facultiesalmost rioting at the idea of a woman being a member of staff. For the
firstfew years of teaching, she was not paid at all. Virtually nobody attended
herlectures - since they were being given by a woman (the accounts I have read
ofpeople who did attend say shewas a fantastic lecturer).
The other members of the department would, beingfrustrated with people not
attending her lectures, pretend they were giving alecture - which Noether would
then give (people would walk out as soon as shewalked in).
Despite this active hatred from the university - sheproduced some of the most
important and fundamental work in mathematics and physics of the era
(lessflashy than Einstein - but pretty damn important!)
Her list of“contributions to maths and physics” section on Wikipedia is longer
thanEinstein’s - andsecond only to Dirac in volume. Her most famous theory -
Noether's theorem is one of the mostfundamental relationships we have - it
links conservation laws to symmetries inspace and time. It isbeautiful in its
simplicity.
On top of this, she was renowned for being agenuinely caring human being. To
quote Wikipedia:
In addition to her mathematical insight, Noether was respected for
herconsideration of others. Although she sometimes acted rudely toward those
who disagreed with her,she nevertheless gained a reputation for constant
helpfulness and patientguidance of new students…. A colleague later described
her this way:"Completely unegotistical and free of vanity, she never claimed
anythingfor herself, but promoted the works of her students above all."
Q7 What aresome of the greatest examples of presence of mind?
A7 ElangoVenkateshan, Complete Vegetarian, not Tuesday, Friday Updated 5y
I was too weak in English language and I had stagefright too during my
graduation.
In my college, they conducted Cambridge Business EnglishCertification training
program.
We were divided into groups and each group had 5members in it.Each group was
provided 5 questions. Each member should answerfor a question for at least 2
mins.
My question was 'you could go anywhere in the world, whereyou would like to go
and why you want to go?’.
I tried hard to form the sentences but I couldn't.
Finally my turn had come.
I was standing in front of 60 people and I didn't evenknow what to tell.
That's the time something suddenly sparked in my mindand I told that.
Everyone in the class was clapping for that answerand trainer was too happy
about that.
My question was 'you could go anywhere in the world,where you would like to go
and why you want to go?’.
My answer was
“I would like togo to my seat now. Because I am too nervous to stand here.” :P
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