Respected friends,
Somehow or other there is only one aim with Mr Rajaram. To provoke me, using
satirical language degrade me and abuse me. Like a hungry leopard he is waiting
to jump on me if I make any response to him. Now indirectly he uses satirical
lines on me.
Few days back there was a discussion about Bhiksha. Mr Rajaram argued begging
and bhiksha are same in one of his postings. Brahmins lived on begging. I wrote
the meanings are different.
Somehow or other two highly educated and civilized members could not agree that
Brahmins were/are beggars. This was cut on the nose to Mr Rajaram.
He finds the best person to show all his anger as myself. As I wrote on the
first line some how or other he wants to provoke me, I should respond, and he
has to show all his anger on me because he cannot show his anger to either Mr
Narayanaswamy or to Mr Sharma.
There is a famous Malayalam saying- Angadiyil thattal Ammayutae Nere ( If a
person was defeated in a market quarrel, he will show all his anger after
coming home to mother).
As desired by the moderator, I am not responding to Mr Rajaram, to stop
exchanges with him. The moment I respond, like a hungry leopard, he waits to
abuse me. Truth, Truth, Truth.
Gopalakrishnan
Gopalakrishnan
On Saturday, 25 May, 2024 at 09:33:36 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy
<[email protected]> wrote:
Saw the faith and the best knowledge laxmi possessed Great Gopala says you
speak only vedic mantras Thank u Sarama------KR IRS 25524
On Sat, 25 May 2024 at 10:14, Laxminarayan Sarma <[email protected]>
wrote:
Rajaram, ou mother fucking shit slurping bastsrd born out of incest between
your whore of a mother and her brother, you may disagree but you have no right
to question people's faith and belief
Fucking eunuch whore, stop your anti brahmin anti Sanatan rant. You BASTARD,
wait till I return. I will, by God, drag you into the street and have a dog
sodomise you
Stop provoking.
On Sat, 25 May, 2024, 7:20 pm Rajaram Krishnamurthy, <[email protected]>
wrote:
1 I have been reading all quite interestingly. There is a story. The daughter
in law turned away the beggar. This was being watched by the mother in law. She
was wild. How can she say that? She scolded her and called back the beggar who
returned so happily. Then M in Law said "No alms Go away". 2 So all the time
since long I was accusing Vadhyars. but the people who were making fun of me
are now charging the same ! 3 We have to follow a principle , if we follow,
in all equity, as advocated there. Manu smrithi and other sutras are very clear
about it. It had given a big list of UNQUALIFIED VADHYARS. Where one finds
such, dont beg them. You learn it because you are a brahmin and feel proud by
birth. And do sradham. Or Refrain from totally. Suppose you are posted at a
place where tirunelveli collector may not even be available, then ? That is why
Hiranya sradham. No big mantras. Just sit and arrange food products in
dhakshinai. Give to some brahmin. It is over. Seetha did it only in that late
sunset evening. That is why I wrote long back. Vedam is universal. Americans do
not do any sradham. Are they sinners? The body is burnt or buried. Soul does
not expect anything according to our Vedas. Then what is that or where is that
stula shareeram? Who is expecting water, food etc? It is our love; discipline
and way of life. When adharma dances ahead, why do you bend? Krishna does not
say so. 16 samskaras expanded to 40. Who did it? We are not recalcitrants. But
qualified Brahmins not by birth , not by upanayan, but by character of
tolerance; and that tolerance when tested, tension breaks; has to break. It is
not the duty of a student alone but the duty of a teacher also that he is 100
times better than the student. It is Biksha vandanam; Guru dakshina; which we
offer; Dharmam we do; dhanam=they do ask, request. That is why today no brahmin
or Mutt heads are requesting. Because we are offering voluntarily; the more
guilty we are, the more Bhakthi. B G never spoke of sradham; Rig vedam does not
say shraddha vidhi which is written as translated by PRR. And Gaya srardham
also is not the be all or end all. Do not bend. They will request it. Vandanam
, abhivandanam are all Grihastan dharma. I am not writing atheism, but Vedic
self inculcation of a true Brahmin. On the contrary, if you are OK with the
cropped vadhyar and his bla bla, let it be as what you believe is the truth
according to Vedam. Be done with it. As sannyasins parents, Only daughters'
parents will get salvations is certain; so too all. Kumbakonam Rajaveda
patasala, Madhya Kailash adyar and so many places and few Samajams do the
srdham in a different way. Respecting the ancestors is the principle of the
sradham. And Another paradox I found today is, mentioning the arya samaj of
Dayananda saraswati whose name is anathema to their close friend!. Dayananda
Saraswati is perhaps one among the very few, who wrote the hidden meanings of
Rig Vedam which he could not complete as Arabindo also did partially. {DAV
school is an example] K Rajaram IRS 25524
NUMEROUS ORGANISATIONS WORKING ALL OVER THE WORLD UNDER ARYA SAMAJ
- There are approximately 10000 Arya Samaj Temples in the whole world.
- Approximately 2500 Schools, Colleges and Universities are being operated
by Arya Samaj including DAVs.
- Operation of approximately 400 Gurukuls running on the residential
education system.
- Many orphanages are in operation for bringing up more than 20000 orphans
in different places.
- Approximately 1500 hospitals and dispensaries are being run by Arya Samaj
to serve the mankind
- , organizing thousands of inter-caste marriages every year with simplicity.
- Operation of thousands of gymnasiums (Vyayam shalas) for physical
development of youngsters by Arya Veer Dal.
- Thousands of residential camps are being organised every year for moral
education and physical development.
- Operation of Schools in tribal areas for the education of lakhs of tribal.
- Operation of permanent residential centers in cities for higher education
of youngsters of poor and backward families.
- Operation of centers for training women to run small scale businesses.
- Operation of many Mahila Ashram, Vanaprastha Ashram & Sanyas Ashram.
- Operation of many Gaushalas in the whole country.
PRESENCE OF ARYA SAMAJ IN THE WORLD
At present Arya Samaj is operating in more than 32 countries of the world
America Canada Suriname Trinidad
Mauritius England Australia Nepal
New Zealand Thailand Fiji Kenya
South Africa Uganda East Africa Myanmar
Pakistan Germany Singapore West Indies
Holland Tanzania Zanzibar Bangladesh
Ghana Guyana Czech Republic Malaysia
Armenia
On Sat, 25 May 2024 at 01:45, 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty
<[email protected]> wrote:
Dear Mr Sharma,
The same with Kerala also. In 75% of cases except the funeral all other Karmas
are conducted at Palghat, Trichur , Cochin or Trivandrum. In these places for
all Antyakarams, the Kerala Brahmana Samajam has made arrangements for stay,
place for karma, sasthrikals and Brahmins. Also for sradha.
Arya samajam is not famous, if available .
Gopalakrishnan
On Saturday, 25 May, 2024 at 09:53:24 am IST, Laxminarayan Sarma
<[email protected]> wrote:
Dear GK Sir
May be your take on Chennai Vadhyars is right. So that being the case, it's
sensible to get all tge rites performed by the Arya Samaj.
On Sat, 25 May, 2024, 7:52 am 'gopala krishnan' via iyer123,
<[email protected]> wrote:
Yes sir. We agree to it in all places.
Gopalakrishnan
On Friday, 24 May, 2024 at 07:08:18 pm IST, Rama <[email protected]>
wrote:
Thanks Gopala ji. Your added input is appreciable. Yes we do find it difficult
to find Brahmanas esp for shrardam rituals. We do our rituals at the venue
prescribed by our Vadhyar. They have good net working, make all arrangements
and charge as a package. It works out well
On Fri, 24 May, 2024, 18:38 gopala krishnan, <[email protected]> wrote:
Sir,
One of the best postings I read. Though in Tamil, because of the interest in
the subject matter I read with little strain.
There is no category like Srardha brahmins. As I read a learnt Vedic person
must be a Bhoktha.
Before decades the sasthrikal himself used to sit as Viswam deva in Central
Kerala area. The Brahmana samooham members themselves appeared as Bhokthas.
Now every where sasthrikal arranges bhokthas. He has a list of persons. Mostly
poor Brahmins.
For death related functions the bhokthas are a set of Brahmins, their identity
is known to sasthrikal only. Whether handicapped, having wounds or any other
deficiencies, the kartha has to adjust. Not much inquiries or talks.
Gopalakrishnan
On Friday, 24 May, 2024 at 12:33:18 pm IST, Rama <[email protected]>
wrote:
அது ஒரு அழகிய அக்ரஹாரம். சுமார் நூறு குடும்பங்கள் வசிக்கின்றனர். கிழக்கில்
சிவன் கோவில். மேற்கில் பெருமாள் கோவில். வாய்க்காலில் எப்போதும் ஜலம் ஓடிக்
கொண்டிருக் கும். வயல், விவசாயம்,தென்னை,மாமரங்கள் என ஊரே குளு குளு என இருக்கும்.
பத்து மைலில் திருநெல்வேலி டவுன். நாள், கிழமை, சுவாமி புறப்பாடு, திருநாள்.
எதற்கும் குறைவில்லை. பிரச்சினை இல்லாதபிராமண சமாஜம். அதோ மேற்கில் ஒருஆத்தில்,
சாஸ்திரிகள் பரபரப்பாக இருக்கிறார். வாருங்கள் என்ன என்று பார்ப்போம். கதை
அங்குதான் தொடங்குகிறது.
சாஸ்திரிகளே, மணிபத்து ஆகிவிட்டது. ஸ்ரார்த்தத்திற்கு ஒரு பிராமணாள் வந்துட்டார்.
மணி மாமா இன்னும் வல்லியே. கர்த்தா பாலு ஐயர் கவலைப் படுகிறார். அவர் அம்மா
திடீரென கீழே விழுந்து, ஆஸ்பத்திரியில் இருக்காராம். மன்னிச்சுக்குங்கோ வர தோது
இல்லை அப்படீன்னு சொல்றார். பத்தரைமணிக்கு எந்த பிராமணாள் கிடைப்பா.. இவ்வளவு
பெரிய அக்ரஹாரத்தில் ஐந்தாறு பேர் தான் பிராமணார்த்தம் சாப்பிட வரா. என்ன
பண்றதுனு ஒண்ணும் புரியலை. வாத்யார்கைகளைப் பிசைகிறார்.
மாமா, ஒரு நிமிஷம் கர்த்தாவின் மனைவி வாத்யாரைக் கூப்பிட,சொல்லுங்கோ மாமி
என்கிறார் வாத்யார் சீனு. நாலு அகம் தள்ளிபுதுசா ஒரு ஃபேமிலி வந்திருக்கா. அவாத்து
மாமா டெய்லி இந்த டயத்தில் பஞ்ச கச்சம் கட்டிண்டு காரில் ஏறிஎங்கேயோ போறார்.
அவர்கிட்ட வேணா கேட்டுப் பார்க்கலாம்.
"அவரே ஊருக்கு புதுசு.. அவர்கிட்ட எப்படி..." வாத்யார் இழுக்க, " சும்மா
கேட்டுத்தான் பாருங்கோ..காசா.. பணமா" மாமி உசுப்பி விட வாத்யார் அரை மனதுடன்
கிளம்புகிறார்.
" மாமா.. மாமா" என வாத்யார் அந்தப் புதியவர் ஆத்தில் கூப்பிட, உள்ளிருந்துபட்டை
விபூதி, பஞ்ச கச்சத்துடன் அவர் வெளியே வருகிறார்.வாங்கோ..உள்ளே வாங்கோ என வாத்யாரை
அழைத்துஉட்காரச் சொல்லி சொல்லுங்கோ மாமா..என்ன விஷயம்" எனக் கேட்க" நான் இந்த
அக்ரஹார வாத்யார். பக்கத்து ஆத்தில் ஸ்ரார்த்தம். திடீரென ஒரு பிராமணாள் வர
முடியாத சூழ்நிலை. ஸ்ரார்த்தம் தடை படக்கூடாது. அதான் நீங்க பிராமணாள வர
முடியுமானு கேட்க வந்தேன். நீங்க அக்ரஹாரத்துக்கு புதுசு. தப்பா இருந்தா
ஷமிக்கணும்."
அவர் சற்று யோசித்து விட்டு சிரித்தவாறே நல்ல வேளை. இன்னிக்கு குருவாரம் கார்த்தால
விரதம். ஒரு நிமிஷம் என்றவாறு உள்ளே செல்கிறார். சற்று நேரத்தில் வெளியே வந்து ஒரு
மணிக்கு முடிஞ்சுடுமா எனக் கேட்க, வாத்யார் மகிழ்ச்சியுடன் பன்னண்டரைக்கு நீங்க
கிளம்பிடலாம்என்கிறார். " சரி கிளம்புங்கோ.. நான்'மடி' கட்டிண்டு வரேன்"
என்கிறார். வாத்யார் மகிழ்ச்சியுடன் சென்று விபரங்களைக் கூற எல்லோருக்கும் பரம
சந்தோஷம்.
வாத்யார் பரபரவென காரியத்தை ஆரம்பிக்க அந்தப் புதியவர் உள்ளே வரவாங்கோ.. வாங்கோ
ரொம்ப சந்தோஷம். நல்ல நேரத்தில் உபகாரம் பண்ணினேள். என அவரை உபசாரம் பண்ண, பிறகு
மளமளவென பிராமணாள் சாப்பிட்டு தக்ஷிணை பெற்று ஸ்ரார்த்தம் முடிவடைந்தது. மீண்டும்
அவருக்கு நன்றி கூற அவர் சொல்கிறார்.
" பிராமணார்த்தம் சாப்பிடுவது பிராமணனின் கடமை. முடிந்தவரை மாட்டேன் என
சொல்லக்கூடாது. இது ரொம்ப புண்ணியம். எல்லா பித்ருக்கள் ஆசிகளும் கிடைக்கும். இதை
மகா பெரியவா பலமுறை சொல்லி இருக்கா..ஆனா ரொம்ப பேர் இதுக்கு வரதில்லை. அது ரொம்ப
பாவம். உங்கஆத்துக்கு மட்டும் வரணும்னு நினைக்கிறேள். ஆனா நீங்க மட்டும் போக
மாட்டேன்னு சொன்னா அது நியாயமா? என்கிறார்.
பிறகு இங்கு பிராமண சமாஜம் இருக்கா எனக் கேட்க வாத்யார் இருக்கே நான்தான்
செக்ரட்டரி" எனக் கூற, அந்தப் புதியவர் தனக்கு தரப் பட்ட தட்சணையுடன் கூட ஐநூறு
ரூபாய் கொடுத்து "இதை என்பங்காக வச்சுக்குங்கோ" என்றவாறு " போய்ட்டு வரேன்" என
கைகூப்பி விடைபெறுகிறார்.
வாத்யார், " மாமா..ஒரு நிமிஷம்.. நீங்க யாரு..என்ன உத்யோகம் என சொல்லலையே" எனக்
கேட்க, அவர் சிரித்தவாறே *நான் திருநெல்வேலி மாவட்ட கலெக்டர்" என்கிறார்.*
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