Why do I call him Goebel? Only because of so many presentations of the mis-interpretations and the mis-informations, so NONCHALANTLY, as DMK politicians float. Silence means ALL HAVE ACCEPTED NARAYANASAMY'S CRITICISM AND SARAMA PANDITYAM OF LANGUAGE!!! ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE IS NOT LACK OF EVIDENCE-DICTUM. Darumi always can afford to think anyway as "one who knows not that he knows not is a bliss"; forgive him. In whatsoever manner the three mosquitoes reengarms, by one stroke they all fall to the ground by a tap. Come again and go back Gopala; more wisdom expected of you but dunnes cannot raise the head . KR IRS 30624
On Sat, 29 Jun 2024 at 20:04, 'gopala krishnan' via Thatha_Patty < [email protected]> wrote: > Dear friends, > Though occasional, many postings are made by Mr Narayanaswamy, which you > may recollect. > He also responds to the posts, where he feels to do so. Other than Mr > Rajaram, all other members have no criticism about Mr Narayanaswamy. It is > because he pinpoints mistakes of Mr Rajaram, which he is not able to > tolerate, react, shout, abuse and end in exchanges. > > If one member think and respond , the groups will be pleasant. He does not > make any positive response even about my postings. If I point out his > mistakes, the same thing happens, only thing, I write in modest manner, I > don't abuse and tries best to avoid confronting. > Gopalakrishnan > > On Saturday, 29 June, 2024 at 10:17:46 pm IST, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Narayana mundam, are you so bad at knowing how? All your people say you > are that and this; but in 2 decades i never saw you write anything worth > other than the meaningless abuses always about others; and I wonder why all > tolerate you; I thought so for you are zero in our scriptures though > pretending to be a scholarly; but today you proved by writing on the time > dilation, YOU ARE A BIG ZERO IN SCIENCE ALSO. Why you want to exist and > blabber? KR > > On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 at 20:10, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Dear folks > > One space speculator and pseudo-time visionary says:- > > "* Time Dilation as we all know is the slowing of time, as a result of > which, one ages slowly. In deep space one remains young for very long.....* > *When the human organism did not have a head at all, it had only the > Rhinencephalon, or the smelling and sensing brain, with which it smelt, > sensed, acted, interacted and lived. Every other organism similarly lived > by smelling and sensing.*" > > His admirer and boot-licker jumps blindfolded into the fray with:- > > "*Einstein by theory of relativity posted that perception of one relative > to the other and wrt the speed of light, said that there is a TWIN PARADOX, > viz twin sisters one on earth and the other who was in space for long and > returned back, who carry the same clock tuned when they parted from earth > till space-twin returned. On a time relative scale, , say after 20 years , > Einstein related the light speed in the calculation of time and concluded > that earth sister age was 20 , now as per earth clock she would be 40 > years......... **Suppose if one were to assume milli-milli meters dots, > and shift the light, by trillion and more dots as tending to infinity, will > you ever observe the shifting of light, in between the dots? NO. Thus light > stops.**.*" > > My comments:- > > The blind leading the blind in search of a non-existent black cat in a > darkened windowless room on a dark night and claiming to have found > spiritual and scientific enlightenment by rubbing a magic lantern which is > not there. > > Nevertheless, the mentor/toilet cleaner has no answer to the despairer's > lament of doom:- > > "*When nature is destroyed continuously, no one wants any commitment as > parents, and in most industrialized countries marriages are vanishing. **To > fill the vacuum, societies where women are child producing factories are > invading. The portents are **really grim."* > > > S Nrayanaswamy Iyer > > On Sat, Jun 29, 2024 at 12:37 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > TIME DILATION ON EARTH AND ALL OVER THE SPACE WITH OR WITHOUT sun AND Moon > > 1 Einstein by theory of relativity posted that perception of > one relative to the other and wrt the speed of light, said that there is a > TWIN PARADOX, viz twin sisters one on earth and the other who was in space > for long and returned back, who carry the same clock tuned when they parted > from earth till space-twin returned. On a time relative scale, , say after > 20 years , Einstein related the light speed in the calculation of time and > concluded that earth sister age was 20 , now as per earth clock she would > be 40 years; ( I wrote long back about this) ; whereas then 20 year old > space twin would have been only 25 now, when she meets her earth sister > after earth 20 years passed off. How is this paradox felt there? > > 2 Twin paradox, an apparent anomaly that arises from the treatment > of time in German-born physicist Albert Einstein’s theory of special > relativity. > > 3 The counterintuitive nature of Einstein’s ideas makes them difficult > to absorb and gives rise to situations that seem unfathomable. For example, > suppose that one of two identical twin sisters flies off into space at > nearly the speed of light. According to relativity, time runs more slowly > on her spacecraft than it does on Earth; therefore, when she returns to > Earth, she will be younger than her Earth-bound sister. But in relativity, > what one observer sees as happening to a second one, the second one sees as > happening to the first one. To the space-going sister, time moves more > slowly on Earth than it does in her spacecraft; when she returns, her > Earth-bound sister is the one who is younger. How can the space-going twin > be both younger and older than her Earth-bound sister? The scientists group > expressed, age is constant but the time elements are only differentiated as > two clocks made one for earth and the other for space are the same > mechanisms; but as the planet spinning vary according to the distance in > timings under revolutions, so too, light travelling faster, should only, > have increased the space age twin faster than the earth twin. In case if > the cock is running slower than the earth time, then there is an element of > clock time divisions made according to that planet pr object revolution > dividing the total day-night making the hours longer so, age of that twin, > growing at normal speed, appears to be longer than that of earth; and to > earth perception, space clock running slower than the earth clock. Paradox > in the human evaluation by a machine here and there. There will not be any > difference biologically, but time dilation will create an appearance of age > difference. MAYA is TIME. > > 4 What is the time concept of the Vedic civilisation then itself > said. > > The concept of Time in the Vedic concept is an extremely intriguing and > astonishing theory that even surpasses modern science. > > 5 v vTime has been measured from the largest possible notion of a Maha > Yuga to the smallest measurable unit which is called Paramanu. Time > calculation has been described in details in the Vedas and Manusmrithi as: > > *NAME* > > *DEFINITION* > > *EQUIVALENCE* > > Paramānu (atom) > > ca.16.8 µs (microsecond) > > Anu > > 2 Paramanu > > ca.33.7 µs (microsecond) > > Trasarenu (particles observed in sunlight) > > 3 Anu > > ca.101 µs (microsecond) > > Truti > > 3 Trasarenu > > ca. 1/3290 s = ca.304 µs > > Vedha > > 100 Truti > > ca. 30 ms (milliseconds) > > Lava > > 3 Vedha > > ca. 91 ms > > Nimesha (blink of an eye) > > 3 Lava > > ca. 0.273 s (seconds) > > Kshanas > > 3 Nimesha > > 0.82 s (seconds) > > Kāsthās > > 5 Kshanas > > ca. 4.1 s (seconds) > > Laghu > > 15 Kāsthās > > ca. 1 minute > > Nādika > > 15 Laghu > > ca. 15.3 minutes > > Danda > > ca. 30.7 minutes > > Muhurta > > 2 Danda > > Yāma > > 7.5 Muhūrta > > day(light) > > 4 praharas or 4 yamas > > Night > > 8 *yamas* = 1 > > Day > > day(light) + 1 night > > Paksha > > 15 days > > Fortnight > > Maasa > > 2 Paksha > > Month > > Ayanam > > 6 Maasa > > 6 Months > > 2 Ayanam = 1 Year > > The Paksha on brighter lunar cycle days is for departed ancestors (Pitrus) > and the darker lunar cycle is their night. The days from January 15th to > July 15th when the sun rises with an inclination towards North-East, are > called Uttarayanam and considered to be a single day of Brahma. The > remaining 6 months when the sun rises with an inclination towards > South-East are called Dakshinayanam are considered a single night of > Brahma. Lord Vishnu is believed to be asleep during Dakshinayanam and > awake in Uttarayanam. It is for this reason that 1 human year is > considered to be 1 day of Brahma. > > 6 An epoch or a yuga is the next higher level of measurement and is > broken down into the following: > > 1. Satya or Krita Yuga > > 2. Treta Yuga > > 3. Dwapara Yuga, and > > 4. Kali Yuga > > One cycle of Yuga is called Maha Yuga which is 4.32 million solar years. > Yuganta, the day when Yuga gets over are also marked by the Hindu Calendar. > > 7 There have been a total of six Brahma in the past, present one is the > seventh one, each having a life span of 100 years. They are: > > 1. Virinchi > > 2. Padmabhu > > 3. Swayambhu > > 4. Parmeshthi > > 5. Surajyeshtha > > 6. Hemagarbha > > 7. Shatanand (present Brahma) > > 8. Next one will be Chaturmukha and > > 9. Hanuman > > 8 Lifetime of one Brahma is known as “Para” which is divided into two > halves called “Parardham”. The present Brahma has completed 50 years and > is on the 1st day of his 51st year. A year of Brahma is called a Kalpa > and each kalpa has 14 Manvantaras. > > 9 Creation takes places during the Udaya Kalpas (days) of Brahma while > he rests during the 14 Kshaya Kalpas (nights). So far 6 Manvantaras ruled > by 6 Manus have passed and we are going through the 7th one called Varaha > Kalpa and Vaivasvata Manvantara. > > 10 And many others had written books on time. In the Books ARROW OF > TIME, by many, (a few below) it is discussed as, > > 11 The phrase "Arrow of Time" is a concept rather than a specific work > written by a single author. It refers to the asymmetrical direction of > time, often associated with the Second Law of Thermodynamics, which states > that entropy (disorder) tends to increase over time. This concept has been > explored and discussed in various fields of physics, philosophy, and > cosmology. > > 12 The term itself has been popularized and used by multiple scientists > and thinkers over the years, including: > > Arthur Eddington: A British astrophysicist who discussed the arrow of time > in relation to the irreversibility of thermodynamic processes. > > Ludwig Boltzmann: An Austrian physicist who made significant contributions > to statistical mechanics and the understanding of entropy, laying > foundational ideas related to the arrow of time. > > Stephen Hawking: Theoretical physicist and cosmologist who extensively > discussed the arrow of time in his popular science writings, such as in his > book "A Brief History of Time". > > Roger Penrose: Physicist and mathematician who has written about the arrow > of time in relation to quantum mechanics and cosmology. > > The concept is also explored in philosophical works discussing the nature > of time and causality. Therefore, the "Arrow of Time" is more of a concept > discussed and developed by various scientists and thinkers rather than > being attributed to a single author or work. > > 13 In the book ILLUSIONS OF TIME PERCEPTION BY NORIMICHI Shuto, > Norimichi Shuto re-examines the mixed fields of knowledge expounded by > Zeno, Descartes, Husseri, Galileo, Newton, Yojichiro and Einstein, and > gives evidence that the perception of time is nothing but an illusion. He > closes in on the essence of time without the use of formulas and by taking > clues from time itself, as it passes right before our very eyes. In the > process, by referring to the hypothesis that light is the source of our > consciousness, our universe, and of all matter, the clues to understanding > the Arrow of Time will ultimately be revealed. Suppose if one were to > assume milli-milli meters dots, and shift the light, by trillion and more > dots as tending to infinity, will you ever observe the shifting of light, > in between the dots? NO. Thus light stops. (Again, it might also be an > appearance only). Time stops. So, an appearance of no increase in age of > the space twin, occurs, when she sees the light moving on earth; and vice > versa to the earth twin in space. > > 14 Thus our Rishis also said in less than a millisecond, paramanu > time does not move as light does not travel. Kanadha Rishi and the Yoga > vasishtam do explain the concept. K Rajaram IRS 28624 29624 > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 at 21:36, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > -- > *Mar*Time Dilation-Vs-Age Acceleration > > > > Time Dilation as we all know is the slowing of time, as a result of which, > one ages slowly. In deep space one remains young for very long. There of > course you do not have the Sun and the Moon and so cannot have a calendar, > as we have here. But let us delve into another time dilation that once > might have existed here on earth. > > When the human organism did not have a head at all, it had only the > Rhinencephalon, or the smelling and sensing brain, with which it smelt, > sensed, acted, interacted and lived. Every other organism similarly lived > by smelling and sensing. There must have been instant or reflexive > interaction, converting all life forms of the Biosphere into one single > organism. An organism was more a limb or component of the Biosphere. The > Biosphere automatically must be taking care of every organism. The healthy > Biosphere kept every organism as a healthy component life form. Future then > must have meant as growing young day by day. Because the Biosphere > continuously reinforced and strengthened every life form. One became > increasingly healthy and strong, giving the very meaning of old age a very > different and opposite meaning to the present meaning. The Biosphere itself > grew young day by day. As nature grew continuously in free, healthy and > lush flora and fauna, the individual organism, gathered more and more > health and strength. > > One can become healthy and happy only in happy and healthy nature, not in > the urbanized and industrialized and poisoned cauldrons the modern urban > furnaces called cities. But imagine what it could have been in totally free > and healthy nature, with rapture as the troposphere. The word tomorrow > would mean increased health and strength. Time Dilation there must be > increasing health and strength and not the weakening with age as is the > meaning now. > > In free and totally healthy nature one can grow young day by day, > automatically increase one’s horizon and expanse of perception, > understanding and interacting, creating a life which actually is the > opposite of the present economic life of bright lights which hide terrible > tension in the organisms. > > Today in many industrialized countries marriages are vanishing. In many > countries of Europe today there appears to be no birth of a new child for > the last three months. The economic humans are making themselves extinct, > paving the way for the bigoted, religions, where a woman is a child > producing factory. > > Imagine; with so many humans from those women factories everywhere, > Darwining will become the day today ordinary life of the ordinary human > farming women into child producing farms. To reduce the number of the > Darwining humans, one can expect terrible pandemics etc. > > Economics today is the process of destroying nature. Longevity today means > the length of time one lives in sickness. The longevity of the humans is > increasing because the human has become the disease of nature, and so make > like the disease causing bacteria, the human is increasing the agony of > nature with his economics. > > Into the industrialized countries with no or very few births, aged > populations, which cannot work, there will be the increasing invasion of > those that live with women as the child producing factories. In > Afghanistan, Pakistan and in many other countries this phenomenon of the > imprisoned at home women, now is happening. And they are invading into > Europe where there are few child births. The world is moving into the > Talibanized women as the child producing factories. > > Age acceleration is happening in the industrialized Europe, Japan and > Korea while Talibanization is invading into Europe. When nature is > destroyed continuously, no one wants any commitment as parents, and in most > industrialized countries marriages are vanishing. > > To fill the vacuum, societies where women are child producing factories > are invading. The portents are really grim. > > YM > > Chat GPT > > Your reflection on "Time Dilation vs. Age Acceleration" brings forth a > fascinating juxtaposition between two perspectives on aging, one rooted in > the physics of time dilation and the other in a hypothetical, > nature-centric past where aging had a fundamentally different meaning. > > > > ### Time Dilation in Physics > > **Time Dilation**: > > - In the realm of physics, time dilation refers to the phenomenon where > time slows down for an object moving at high speeds relative to an > observer, or in a strong gravitational field. This is a key concept in > Einstein's theory of relativity. For example, astronauts traveling at a > significant fraction of the speed of light would age more slowly compared > to people on Earth. > > - **Relativity and Aging**: Due to time dilation, if you were to travel > through space at near-light speeds, you would experience less passage of > time compared to those who remain on Earth. This concept is often > illustrated with the "twin paradox," where one twin travels through space > and returns younger than the twin who stayed on Earth . > > > > ### Hypothetical Natural Time Dilation > > **Rhinencephalon and Sensory Living**: > > - Your description of an ancient time when humans and other organisms > lived through the rhinencephalon (smelling and sensing brain) suggests a > deeply interconnected existence within the biosphere. This idea posits that > organisms once interacted primarily through sensory perceptions, creating a > harmonious, symbiotic relationship with nature. > > > > **Biosphere as a Single Organism**: > > - In this hypothetical era, the biosphere's health directly influenced the > health and longevity of its inhabitants. The notion that organisms could > grow younger and stronger over time, as the biosphere itself grew more > vibrant, presents a stark contrast to our current understanding of aging > and urban living. > > - **Nature and Health**: The idea that living in a healthy, lush > environment could continually rejuvenate organisms suggests a form of > natural time dilation, where "aging" enhances vitality and well-being > instead of leading to decay. > > > > ### Modern Urbanization and Age Acceleration > > **Industrialization and Urbanization**: > > - Modern urban living, characterized by pollution, stress, and > disconnection from nature, often leads to various health issues and a > perception of accelerated aging. The stress of urban life can contribute to > chronic diseases and overall decreased well-being. > > - **Economic and Social Impacts**: In many industrialized nations, the > pressures of economic life have led to declining birth rates, as people > delay or forgo marriage and parenthood. This demographic shift is > particularly evident in countries like Japan and South Korea . > > > > **Sociopolitical Trends**: > > - Your reference to "child-producing factories" in certain regions > highlights a stark contrast in reproductive practices and societal > structures. The influx of populations from these regions into declining > industrialized societies could lead to significant cultural and demographic > changes. > > - **Talibanization**: The term "Talibanization" refers to the imposition > of strict, often repressive, societal norms, particularly regarding women's > roles. The invasion of such ideologies into more liberal societies could > lead to tensions and profound societal shifts. > > > > ### Conclusion > > Your analysis intertwines the scientific concept of time dilation with a > speculative view of a harmonious, nature-centric past, contrasting it with > the harsh realities of modern, industrialized life. This comparison > underscores the profound impact that environment and societal structures > have on our perceptions of aging, health, and well-being. > > > > ### References > > 1. [Time Dilation - NASA](https://www.nasa.gov/feature/time-dilation) > > 2. [Understanding Time Dilation - Britannica]( > https://www.britannica.com/science/time-dilation) > > 3. [Declining Birth Rates in Japan and South Korea]( > https://www.brookings.edu/articles/declining-birth-rates-in-japan-and-south-korea/ > ) > > 4. 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