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On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 at 20:28, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Dear folks
>
> Good to know that K R ex-IRS has unerringly identified himself publicly as
> "the illegitimately-conceived  son within blemishes who is a mentally
> defective paraplegic".
>
> "Out of the mouth of babes", as the Bible says, "comes wholesome truth".
>
> Congrats, mentally defective illegitimately-conceived son KR ex-IRS 15724
> !
>
> S Narayanaswamy Iyer
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 9:47 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I saw the old man writing as,"Who can accurately predict that the
>> illegitimately-conceived child will certainly
>> be a blemishless son, and not a paraplegic mentally defective daughter?
>> "  I HAD A DOUBT; BUT NOW I UNDERSTOOD ABOUT HIM/HER
>> KR IRS 15724
>>
>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 at 23:47, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dear folks
>>>
>>> Attempting,as usual, to swallow an elephant whole, super-bluffologist
>>> crocodile
>>> K R ex-IRS trots out his latest grand baseless lie that:-
>>>
>>> "*Niyoga (Sanskrit: नियोग) **is an ancient Hindu tradition, in which a
>>> woman (whose husband is either incapable of fatherhood or has died without
>>> having a child) would request and appoint a person for helping her bear a
>>> child.*"
>>>
>>> In fact, no such alleged "tradition" exists.
>>>
>>> In Hindu law, as well as any other law, no widow can "request and
>>> appoint" any person to impregnate her to produce a child, or otherwise.
>>>
>>> Such children would be illegitimate, on all counts.
>>>
>>> The forbidden incestual practice can bne traced to Yaajnivalkya, the
>>> rebel student who was kicked out of Veda-class for insubordinate behavior
>>> and forced to disgorge whatever he had learnt:-
>>>
>>> "*The practice of niyoga does not seem to be referred in terms of
>>> disapproval by Yājñavalkya. In fact, the texts of the Vyavahārādhyāya
>>> suggest that the son born of such a practice occupies a good position.
>>> Yājñavalkya declares that a son begotten by a sonless person on the soil of
>>> another man through legal appointment is lawful heir and can offer funeral
>>> cakes for both."*
>>>
>>> My comments:-
>>>
>>> Who can accurately predict that the illegitimately-conceived child will
>>> certainly
>>> be a blemishless son, and not a paraplegic mentally defective daughter?
>>>
>>> (Remember the famous dialogue between George Bernard Shaw and a woman
>>> who wanted a child by him with his brains?)
>>>
>>> "*In the Mahaabhaaratham written by Vyaasa, illegitimate Durganthi’s
>>> extra-marital illegitimate son black-skinned Kṛṣṇa Dvaipāyana Vyāsa who hd
>>> taken a vow of celibacy was directed by hos own mother to perform/commit
>>> Niyoga (rape/adultery) with the two widows Ambikaa and Ambaalikaa of dead
>>> King Vicitravīrya. From whom were born totally blind Dhṛtarāṣṭra and
>>> mottled-skin Pāndu, and from Ambaalikaa's maid Vidura."*
>>>
>>> "*W**hen the purpose of the appointment to (cohabit with) the widow bas
>>> been attained in accordance with the law, those two shall behave towards
>>> each other like a father and a daughter-in-law.*"
>>>
>>> My comments:-
>>>
>>> This incestuous practice accords with the Islamic practice whereby the
>>> lusty
>>> and lascivious aged Prophet Muhammad, seeing his young and voluptuous
>>> daughter-in-law Zaynab bint Jahsh scantily clad in her tent at night, got
>>> his son to divorce her, and married her himself.
>>>
>>> The old man man already had more than a dozen wives then, including
>>> little Aishah whom he obtained from her mother when she was six years old
>>> and he was fifty-three, and married her two years later.
>>>
>>> S Narayanaswamy Iyer
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 8:10 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Niyog and Nari   Part 1
>>>>
>>>> Niyoga (Sanskrit: नियोग) is an ancient Hindu tradition, in which a
>>>> woman (whose husband is either incapable of fatherhood or has died without
>>>> having a child) would request and appoint a person for helping her bear a
>>>> child.  MEANS INJUNCTION
>>>>
>>>> n any case, to answer you question, the main place in Hindu scripture
>>>> where the rules of Niyoga are described is in this chapter of the Manu
>>>> Smriti:
>>>>
>>>> On failure of issue (by her husband) a woman who has been authorised,
>>>> may obtain, (in the) proper (manner prescribed), the desired offspring by
>>>> (cohabitation with) a brother-in-law or (with some other) Sapinda (of the
>>>> husband).
>>>>
>>>> He (who is) appointed to (cohabit with) the widow shall (approach her)
>>>> at night anointed with clarified butter and silent, (and) beget one son, by
>>>> no means a second.
>>>>
>>>> Some (sages), versed in the law, considering the purpose of the
>>>> appointment not to have been attained by those two (on the birth of the
>>>> first), think that a second (son) may be lawfully procreated on (such)
>>>> women.
>>>>
>>>> But when the purpose of the appointment to (cohabit with) the widow bas
>>>> been attained in accordance with the law, those two shall behave towards
>>>> each other like a father and a daughter-in-law.
>>>>
>>>> If those two (being thus) appointed deviate from the rule and act from
>>>> carnal desire, they will both become outcasts, (as men) who defile the bed
>>>> of a daughter-in-law or of a Guru.
>>>>
>>>> By twice-born men a widow must not be appointed to (cohabit with) any
>>>> other (than her husband); for they who appoint (her) to another (man), will
>>>> violate the eternal law.
>>>>
>>>> In the sacred texts which refer to marriage the appointment (of widows)
>>>> is nowhere mentioned, nor is the re-marriage of widows prescribed in the
>>>> rules concerning marriage.
>>>>
>>>> This practice which is reprehended by the learned of the twice-born
>>>> castes as fit for cattle is said (to have occurred) even among men, while
>>>> Vena ruled.
>>>>
>>>> That chief of royal sages who formerly possessed the whole world,
>>>> caused a confusion of the castes (varna), his intellect being destroyed by
>>>> lust.
>>>>
>>>> Since that (time) the virtuous censure that (man) who in his folly
>>>> appoints a woman, whose husband died, to (bear) children (to another man).
>>>>
>>>> A practice prevalent in ancient times which permitted a childless widow
>>>> to have intercourse with the brother or any near kinsman of her deceased
>>>> husband to raise up issue to him, the son so born being called क्षेत्रज
>>>> (kṣetraja); cf. Manusmṛti 9.59.:-देवराद्वा सपिण्डाद्वा स्त्रिया सम्यङ्
>>>> नियुक्तया । प्रजे- प्सिताधिगन्तव्या सन्तानस्य परिक्षये (devarādvā
>>>> sapiṇḍādvā striyā samyaṅ niyuktayā | praje- psitādhigantavyā santānasya
>>>> parikṣaye) ||; see 6, 65 also. (Vyāsa begot pāṇḍu and dhṛtarāṣṭra on the
>>>> widows of vicitravīrya in this way).
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> YAGNAVALKYA SMRITHI
>>>>
>>>> by Kalita Nabanita
>>>>
>>>> Hinduism Dharmashastra
>>>>
>>>> Chapter 3.6b - The practice of Niyoga
>>>>
>>>> Chapter 3 - The Social Aspect Depicted in the Vyavahārādhyāya
>>>>
>>>> Niyoga is an age-old social practice, which has become obsolete in
>>>> modern age. This practice of ancient Hindu Law resembles the Levirate of
>>>> the Jewish Law.
>>>>
>>>> The writers of the Dharmaśāstras are not unanimous about the fact,
>>>> whether it is to be allowed or not. Manu censures niyoga vehemently and
>>>> calls it a beastly practice (paśudharma). He declares that niyoga cannot
>>>> take place in case of widow of a twice-born and is said to be in vogue only
>>>> in the reign of king Veṇa
>>>>
>>>>  nānyasminvidhavā nārī niyoktavyā dvijātibhiḥ anyasinhi niyuñjānā
>>>> dharmaṃ hanyuḥ sanātanam// ayaṃ dvijairvidvadbhiḥ paśudharmo vigarhitaḥ//
>>>> manuṣyāṇāmapi prokto vene rājyaṃ praśāsati// Manusmṛti, 9.64-68
>>>>
>>>> However, immediately before prohibiting this practice, he lays down all
>>>> the process to be observed in niyoga.
>>>>
>>>>  Further, the Manusmṛti declares the process niyoga, with a comparison
>>>> of the woman to field, husband to owner of field, the person, who is
>>>> allowed to procreate child with another’s wife to owner of seed, and the
>>>> child begotten in such union to crop. Thereby, it propounds the rule of
>>>> niyoga that in presence of a special contract between the owner of the
>>>> field and the owner of the seed, both are considered sharers of the crops,
>>>> otherwise the owner of field receives the crops.
>>>>
>>>>  He expressly permits niyoga in particular case of a bride, whose
>>>> future husband dies before marriage.
>>>>
>>>> yasyā mriyeta kanyā yā vācā satye kṛte patiḥ// tāmanena vidhānena nijo
>>>> vindeta devaraḥ// Ibid., 9.69
>>>>
>>>> Moreover, Manu gives the rule of partition concerning the son born as a
>>>> result of niyoga.Considering the above-mentioned account, Julius Jolly is
>>>> of the opinion that Manu’s view regarding niyoga is contradictory.
>>>>
>>>> Robert Lingat holds that though Manu condemns niyoga and such other
>>>> practices yet he might have confronted with the customs for prohibition to
>>>> be efficacious.
>>>>
>>>>  However, the reconciliation of this provision, may suggest its
>>>> acceptance for the widows of the Śūdras, excluding three upper castes.
>>>>
>>>> The practice of niyoga does not seem to be referred in terms of
>>>> disapproval by Yājñavalkya. In fact, the texts of the Vyavahārādhyāya
>>>> suggest that the son born of such a practice occupies a good position.
>>>> Yājñavalkya declares that a son begotten by a sonless person on the soil of
>>>> another man through legal appointment is lawful heir and can offer funeral
>>>> cakes for both.
>>>>
>>>> aputreṇa parakṣetre niyogotpāditaḥ sutaḥ/ ubhayorapyasau rikthī
>>>> piṇḍadātā ca dharmataḥ// Yājñavalkyasmṛti, 2.127
>>>>
>>>> Thus, the practice of niyoga is legally recognised by Yājñavalkya. It
>>>> is described under the Ācārādhyāya in the following words-in case of a
>>>> younger brother of the husband, in his absence a sapiṇḍa, in his absence a
>>>> sagotra, with the permission of elders, having his body rubbed with
>>>> clarified butter, cohabits with a sonless woman in seasons, till she
>>>> conceives, then the son born by this procedure is known as Kṣetraja. He who
>>>> does not act according to the procedure will be condemned.
>>>>
>>>>  It is already shown in the table furnished in this chapter, displaying
>>>> the places of different kinds of son that in the Yājñavalkyasmṛti, the
>>>> Kṣetraja son is placed in third rank after the Aurasa and Putrikāputra. The
>>>> legal affiliation to such son is also distinct when the author states that
>>>> the sons born of legally wedded marriage or through the process of niyoga,
>>>> being free from defect, are entitled to inherit the property of their
>>>> father, who cannot inherit due to some defects.
>>>>
>>>> aurasāḥ kṣetrajāstveṣāṃ nirdoṣā bhāgahāriṇaḥ/ Ibid., 2.141
>>>>
>>>> Thus, it appears that during the time of the Yājñavalkyasmṛti, niyoga
>>>> is favoured in the society, as the text gives legal sanction to a son born
>>>> of such practice, which may have occurred with changing times and
>>>> prevailing customs.
>>>>
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Niyoga (inviting a widow to remarry)
>>>>
>>>> Chapter 5 - Cultural history in the Matsya-Purāṇa
>>>>
>>>> When it comes to society and marriage, it remains incomplete without
>>>> talking about a particular issue, that is Niyoga . The practice of inviting
>>>> a widow to remarry or have children was called Niyoga . However, this
>>>> method was not considered sacred by everyone. For example, even though sage
>>>> Gautama recognized it, but according to Āpastamba, it was completely
>>>> forbidden. Almost the entire part of the Mahābhārata is filled by this
>>>> Niyoga method.
>>>>
>>>> There were several rules for this Niyoga. For example–
>>>>
>>>> (1) The person whose wife will be Niyoga , whether he is dead or alive,
>>>> must be childless,
>>>>
>>>> (2) The family guru will decide who will be appointed for the Niyoga ,
>>>>
>>>> (3) The person to be appointed should be the husband’s brother or his
>>>> clan, caste and pravara should be equal,
>>>>
>>>> (4) This method should be done out of a sense of duty, not if it is a
>>>> desired object,
>>>>
>>>> (5) The person to be appointed must be anointed with ghee (Butter) or
>>>> oil, not by words, kisses or playing tricks,
>>>>
>>>> (6) This relationship will last only until one or two children are
>>>> born,
>>>>
>>>> (7) The widow must be young and healthy enough,
>>>>
>>>> (8) After birth, the widow and the appointed person will consider each
>>>> other as father-in-law and daughter-in-law.
>>>>
>>>> In the Mahābhārata , Satyavati hire her stepson Bhīṣma to niyoga after
>>>> the death of her own son Vicitravīrya but Bhīṣma refuses. Then Satyavati’s
>>>> pre-marital son Kṛṣṇa Dvaipāyana Vedavyāsa was invited for Niyoga with the
>>>> two widows of Vicitravīrya. From whom were born Dhṛtarāṣṭra and Pāndu and
>>>> from a maid Vidura. There are also several examples of Niyoga in the
>>>> MatsyaPurāṇa .
>>>>
>>>> (I) verse 46 and 47 of the fiftieth chapter of Matsya Purāṇa contain
>>>> the story of the birth of Dhṛtarāṣṭra, Pāndu and Vidura from the wive of
>>>> Vicitravīrya.
>>>>
>>>> (II) Mahārāja Bāli’s wife Sudeṣṇāand sage Dīrghatamā’s Niyoga resulted
>>>> as Bali’s five Kṣetraja sons named–Anga, Vanga, Suhya, Pundra and
>>>> Kaliṅga.[1]
>>>>
>>>> (III) King Pāndu also had five Kṣetraja sons. From Dharmarāja, Kunti
>>>> gave birth Yudhiṣṭhira, from Vāyu, Bhīma, and from Indra, Arjuna. From
>>>> Aśvinīkumar’s, Mādrī gave birth to two sons Nakula and Sahadeva. The five
>>>> were called Devadatta as they were born from Deva (Gods).[2]
>>>>
>>>> The study of social structure is very important in the study of society
>>>> and culture. Social structure refers to the system with which the order of
>>>> the whole part of society is related so that the elements of social life
>>>> are connected together. These relationships are built one after the other.
>>>> They can also be called a sequence of various complications. So the social
>>>> structure is nothing more than a complete coordinator of social relations
>>>> (Radcliffe brown A.R., Structure and function in primitive society, Ch. X
>>>> pp 188ff). The study of social structure enables one to know how the
>>>> various units of society who have direct or indirect contact with each
>>>> other interact with each other in social life.
>>>>
>>>> Matsya Purāṇa–Chapter 48/24, 25
>>>>
>>>> Matsya Purāṇa–Chapter 50/48, 49, 50
>>>>
>>>> End of part 1  KR IRS 14724 15724
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