Ede Narayana Have you become so poor and unashamed that you only accepted how you were born? Poor soul Next Janmamay solve your mental problems have a nice day paiya 🐛👎💤
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 at 20:28, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear folks > > Good to know that K R ex-IRS has unerringly identified himself publicly as > "the illegitimately-conceived son within blemishes who is a mentally > defective paraplegic". > > "Out of the mouth of babes", as the Bible says, "comes wholesome truth". > > Congrats, mentally defective illegitimately-conceived son KR ex-IRS 15724 > ! > > S Narayanaswamy Iyer > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 9:47 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I saw the old man writing as,"Who can accurately predict that the >> illegitimately-conceived child will certainly >> be a blemishless son, and not a paraplegic mentally defective daughter? >> " I HAD A DOUBT; BUT NOW I UNDERSTOOD ABOUT HIM/HER >> KR IRS 15724 >> >> On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 at 23:47, Narayanaswamy Iyer <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Dear folks >>> >>> Attempting,as usual, to swallow an elephant whole, super-bluffologist >>> crocodile >>> K R ex-IRS trots out his latest grand baseless lie that:- >>> >>> "*Niyoga (Sanskrit: नियोग) **is an ancient Hindu tradition, in which a >>> woman (whose husband is either incapable of fatherhood or has died without >>> having a child) would request and appoint a person for helping her bear a >>> child.*" >>> >>> In fact, no such alleged "tradition" exists. >>> >>> In Hindu law, as well as any other law, no widow can "request and >>> appoint" any person to impregnate her to produce a child, or otherwise. >>> >>> Such children would be illegitimate, on all counts. >>> >>> The forbidden incestual practice can bne traced to Yaajnivalkya, the >>> rebel student who was kicked out of Veda-class for insubordinate behavior >>> and forced to disgorge whatever he had learnt:- >>> >>> "*The practice of niyoga does not seem to be referred in terms of >>> disapproval by Yājñavalkya. In fact, the texts of the Vyavahārādhyāya >>> suggest that the son born of such a practice occupies a good position. >>> Yājñavalkya declares that a son begotten by a sonless person on the soil of >>> another man through legal appointment is lawful heir and can offer funeral >>> cakes for both."* >>> >>> My comments:- >>> >>> Who can accurately predict that the illegitimately-conceived child will >>> certainly >>> be a blemishless son, and not a paraplegic mentally defective daughter? >>> >>> (Remember the famous dialogue between George Bernard Shaw and a woman >>> who wanted a child by him with his brains?) >>> >>> "*In the Mahaabhaaratham written by Vyaasa, illegitimate Durganthi’s >>> extra-marital illegitimate son black-skinned Kṛṣṇa Dvaipāyana Vyāsa who hd >>> taken a vow of celibacy was directed by hos own mother to perform/commit >>> Niyoga (rape/adultery) with the two widows Ambikaa and Ambaalikaa of dead >>> King Vicitravīrya. From whom were born totally blind Dhṛtarāṣṭra and >>> mottled-skin Pāndu, and from Ambaalikaa's maid Vidura."* >>> >>> "*W**hen the purpose of the appointment to (cohabit with) the widow bas >>> been attained in accordance with the law, those two shall behave towards >>> each other like a father and a daughter-in-law.*" >>> >>> My comments:- >>> >>> This incestuous practice accords with the Islamic practice whereby the >>> lusty >>> and lascivious aged Prophet Muhammad, seeing his young and voluptuous >>> daughter-in-law Zaynab bint Jahsh scantily clad in her tent at night, got >>> his son to divorce her, and married her himself. >>> >>> The old man man already had more than a dozen wives then, including >>> little Aishah whom he obtained from her mother when she was six years old >>> and he was fifty-three, and married her two years later. >>> >>> S Narayanaswamy Iyer >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 8:10 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Niyog and Nari Part 1 >>>> >>>> Niyoga (Sanskrit: नियोग) is an ancient Hindu tradition, in which a >>>> woman (whose husband is either incapable of fatherhood or has died without >>>> having a child) would request and appoint a person for helping her bear a >>>> child. MEANS INJUNCTION >>>> >>>> n any case, to answer you question, the main place in Hindu scripture >>>> where the rules of Niyoga are described is in this chapter of the Manu >>>> Smriti: >>>> >>>> On failure of issue (by her husband) a woman who has been authorised, >>>> may obtain, (in the) proper (manner prescribed), the desired offspring by >>>> (cohabitation with) a brother-in-law or (with some other) Sapinda (of the >>>> husband). >>>> >>>> He (who is) appointed to (cohabit with) the widow shall (approach her) >>>> at night anointed with clarified butter and silent, (and) beget one son, by >>>> no means a second. >>>> >>>> Some (sages), versed in the law, considering the purpose of the >>>> appointment not to have been attained by those two (on the birth of the >>>> first), think that a second (son) may be lawfully procreated on (such) >>>> women. >>>> >>>> But when the purpose of the appointment to (cohabit with) the widow bas >>>> been attained in accordance with the law, those two shall behave towards >>>> each other like a father and a daughter-in-law. >>>> >>>> If those two (being thus) appointed deviate from the rule and act from >>>> carnal desire, they will both become outcasts, (as men) who defile the bed >>>> of a daughter-in-law or of a Guru. >>>> >>>> By twice-born men a widow must not be appointed to (cohabit with) any >>>> other (than her husband); for they who appoint (her) to another (man), will >>>> violate the eternal law. >>>> >>>> In the sacred texts which refer to marriage the appointment (of widows) >>>> is nowhere mentioned, nor is the re-marriage of widows prescribed in the >>>> rules concerning marriage. >>>> >>>> This practice which is reprehended by the learned of the twice-born >>>> castes as fit for cattle is said (to have occurred) even among men, while >>>> Vena ruled. >>>> >>>> That chief of royal sages who formerly possessed the whole world, >>>> caused a confusion of the castes (varna), his intellect being destroyed by >>>> lust. >>>> >>>> Since that (time) the virtuous censure that (man) who in his folly >>>> appoints a woman, whose husband died, to (bear) children (to another man). >>>> >>>> A practice prevalent in ancient times which permitted a childless widow >>>> to have intercourse with the brother or any near kinsman of her deceased >>>> husband to raise up issue to him, the son so born being called क्षेत्रज >>>> (kṣetraja); cf. Manusmṛti 9.59.:-देवराद्वा सपिण्डाद्वा स्त्रिया सम्यङ् >>>> नियुक्तया । प्रजे- प्सिताधिगन्तव्या सन्तानस्य परिक्षये (devarādvā >>>> sapiṇḍādvā striyā samyaṅ niyuktayā | praje- psitādhigantavyā santānasya >>>> parikṣaye) ||; see 6, 65 also. (Vyāsa begot pāṇḍu and dhṛtarāṣṭra on the >>>> widows of vicitravīrya in this way). >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> YAGNAVALKYA SMRITHI >>>> >>>> by Kalita Nabanita >>>> >>>> Hinduism Dharmashastra >>>> >>>> Chapter 3.6b - The practice of Niyoga >>>> >>>> Chapter 3 - The Social Aspect Depicted in the Vyavahārādhyāya >>>> >>>> Niyoga is an age-old social practice, which has become obsolete in >>>> modern age. This practice of ancient Hindu Law resembles the Levirate of >>>> the Jewish Law. >>>> >>>> The writers of the Dharmaśāstras are not unanimous about the fact, >>>> whether it is to be allowed or not. Manu censures niyoga vehemently and >>>> calls it a beastly practice (paśudharma). He declares that niyoga cannot >>>> take place in case of widow of a twice-born and is said to be in vogue only >>>> in the reign of king Veṇa >>>> >>>> nānyasminvidhavā nārī niyoktavyā dvijātibhiḥ anyasinhi niyuñjānā >>>> dharmaṃ hanyuḥ sanātanam// ayaṃ dvijairvidvadbhiḥ paśudharmo vigarhitaḥ// >>>> manuṣyāṇāmapi prokto vene rājyaṃ praśāsati// Manusmṛti, 9.64-68 >>>> >>>> However, immediately before prohibiting this practice, he lays down all >>>> the process to be observed in niyoga. >>>> >>>> Further, the Manusmṛti declares the process niyoga, with a comparison >>>> of the woman to field, husband to owner of field, the person, who is >>>> allowed to procreate child with another’s wife to owner of seed, and the >>>> child begotten in such union to crop. Thereby, it propounds the rule of >>>> niyoga that in presence of a special contract between the owner of the >>>> field and the owner of the seed, both are considered sharers of the crops, >>>> otherwise the owner of field receives the crops. >>>> >>>> He expressly permits niyoga in particular case of a bride, whose >>>> future husband dies before marriage. >>>> >>>> yasyā mriyeta kanyā yā vācā satye kṛte patiḥ// tāmanena vidhānena nijo >>>> vindeta devaraḥ// Ibid., 9.69 >>>> >>>> Moreover, Manu gives the rule of partition concerning the son born as a >>>> result of niyoga.Considering the above-mentioned account, Julius Jolly is >>>> of the opinion that Manu’s view regarding niyoga is contradictory. >>>> >>>> Robert Lingat holds that though Manu condemns niyoga and such other >>>> practices yet he might have confronted with the customs for prohibition to >>>> be efficacious. >>>> >>>> However, the reconciliation of this provision, may suggest its >>>> acceptance for the widows of the Śūdras, excluding three upper castes. >>>> >>>> The practice of niyoga does not seem to be referred in terms of >>>> disapproval by Yājñavalkya. In fact, the texts of the Vyavahārādhyāya >>>> suggest that the son born of such a practice occupies a good position. >>>> Yājñavalkya declares that a son begotten by a sonless person on the soil of >>>> another man through legal appointment is lawful heir and can offer funeral >>>> cakes for both. >>>> >>>> aputreṇa parakṣetre niyogotpāditaḥ sutaḥ/ ubhayorapyasau rikthī >>>> piṇḍadātā ca dharmataḥ// Yājñavalkyasmṛti, 2.127 >>>> >>>> Thus, the practice of niyoga is legally recognised by Yājñavalkya. It >>>> is described under the Ācārādhyāya in the following words-in case of a >>>> younger brother of the husband, in his absence a sapiṇḍa, in his absence a >>>> sagotra, with the permission of elders, having his body rubbed with >>>> clarified butter, cohabits with a sonless woman in seasons, till she >>>> conceives, then the son born by this procedure is known as Kṣetraja. He who >>>> does not act according to the procedure will be condemned. >>>> >>>> It is already shown in the table furnished in this chapter, displaying >>>> the places of different kinds of son that in the Yājñavalkyasmṛti, the >>>> Kṣetraja son is placed in third rank after the Aurasa and Putrikāputra. The >>>> legal affiliation to such son is also distinct when the author states that >>>> the sons born of legally wedded marriage or through the process of niyoga, >>>> being free from defect, are entitled to inherit the property of their >>>> father, who cannot inherit due to some defects. >>>> >>>> aurasāḥ kṣetrajāstveṣāṃ nirdoṣā bhāgahāriṇaḥ/ Ibid., 2.141 >>>> >>>> Thus, it appears that during the time of the Yājñavalkyasmṛti, niyoga >>>> is favoured in the society, as the text gives legal sanction to a son born >>>> of such practice, which may have occurred with changing times and >>>> prevailing customs. >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Niyoga (inviting a widow to remarry) >>>> >>>> Chapter 5 - Cultural history in the Matsya-Purāṇa >>>> >>>> When it comes to society and marriage, it remains incomplete without >>>> talking about a particular issue, that is Niyoga . The practice of inviting >>>> a widow to remarry or have children was called Niyoga . However, this >>>> method was not considered sacred by everyone. For example, even though sage >>>> Gautama recognized it, but according to Āpastamba, it was completely >>>> forbidden. Almost the entire part of the Mahābhārata is filled by this >>>> Niyoga method. >>>> >>>> There were several rules for this Niyoga. For example– >>>> >>>> (1) The person whose wife will be Niyoga , whether he is dead or alive, >>>> must be childless, >>>> >>>> (2) The family guru will decide who will be appointed for the Niyoga , >>>> >>>> (3) The person to be appointed should be the husband’s brother or his >>>> clan, caste and pravara should be equal, >>>> >>>> (4) This method should be done out of a sense of duty, not if it is a >>>> desired object, >>>> >>>> (5) The person to be appointed must be anointed with ghee (Butter) or >>>> oil, not by words, kisses or playing tricks, >>>> >>>> (6) This relationship will last only until one or two children are >>>> born, >>>> >>>> (7) The widow must be young and healthy enough, >>>> >>>> (8) After birth, the widow and the appointed person will consider each >>>> other as father-in-law and daughter-in-law. >>>> >>>> In the Mahābhārata , Satyavati hire her stepson Bhīṣma to niyoga after >>>> the death of her own son Vicitravīrya but Bhīṣma refuses. Then Satyavati’s >>>> pre-marital son Kṛṣṇa Dvaipāyana Vedavyāsa was invited for Niyoga with the >>>> two widows of Vicitravīrya. From whom were born Dhṛtarāṣṭra and Pāndu and >>>> from a maid Vidura. There are also several examples of Niyoga in the >>>> MatsyaPurāṇa . >>>> >>>> (I) verse 46 and 47 of the fiftieth chapter of Matsya Purāṇa contain >>>> the story of the birth of Dhṛtarāṣṭra, Pāndu and Vidura from the wive of >>>> Vicitravīrya. >>>> >>>> (II) Mahārāja Bāli’s wife Sudeṣṇāand sage Dīrghatamā’s Niyoga resulted >>>> as Bali’s five Kṣetraja sons named–Anga, Vanga, Suhya, Pundra and >>>> Kaliṅga.[1] >>>> >>>> (III) King Pāndu also had five Kṣetraja sons. From Dharmarāja, Kunti >>>> gave birth Yudhiṣṭhira, from Vāyu, Bhīma, and from Indra, Arjuna. From >>>> Aśvinīkumar’s, Mādrī gave birth to two sons Nakula and Sahadeva. The five >>>> were called Devadatta as they were born from Deva (Gods).[2] >>>> >>>> The study of social structure is very important in the study of society >>>> and culture. Social structure refers to the system with which the order of >>>> the whole part of society is related so that the elements of social life >>>> are connected together. These relationships are built one after the other. >>>> They can also be called a sequence of various complications. So the social >>>> structure is nothing more than a complete coordinator of social relations >>>> (Radcliffe brown A.R., Structure and function in primitive society, Ch. X >>>> pp 188ff). The study of social structure enables one to know how the >>>> various units of society who have direct or indirect contact with each >>>> other interact with each other in social life. >>>> >>>> Matsya Purāṇa–Chapter 48/24, 25 >>>> >>>> Matsya Purāṇa–Chapter 50/48, 49, 50 >>>> >>>> End of part 1 KR IRS 14724 15724 >>>> >>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> >>>> -- >>>> On Facebook, please join >>>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust >>>> >>>> We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join >>>> >>>> Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup >>>> >>>> Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust >>>> >>>> Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: >>>> https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "KeralaIyers" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZoqAGpGRzDgaOwZTiiexWaDdPPNijC2D9yY%2BJQvMxXvSCQ%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZoqAGpGRzDgaOwZTiiexWaDdPPNijC2D9yY%2BJQvMxXvSCQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >>> On Facebook, please join >>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust >>> >>> We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join >>> >>> Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup >>> >>> Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust >>> >>> Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: >>> https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "KeralaIyers" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL4idhOCSuNtuO%2B92DGwRCT1otAYPD5qJRt41Ph2MFnOgM2Eng%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL4idhOCSuNtuO%2B92DGwRCT1otAYPD5qJRt41Ph2MFnOgM2Eng%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- >> On Facebook, please join https://www.facebook.com/groups/keralaiyerstrust >> >> We are now on Telegram Mobile App also, please join >> >> Pattars/Kerala Iyers Discussions: https://t.me/PattarsGroup >> >> Kerala Iyers Trust Decisions only posts : https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrust >> >> Kerala Iyers Trust Group for Discussions: >> https://t.me/KeralaIyersTrustGroup >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "KeralaIyers" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZor1YLL8u%3DRH_z8J_8zm_WDWSVjHBouhXSQyOXPpD1X8Jg%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/keralaiyers/CAL5XZor1YLL8u%3DRH_z8J_8zm_WDWSVjHBouhXSQyOXPpD1X8Jg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "iyer123" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/CAL4idhMi-xYZA_UQzqDy7rbvsgdzJFg7Cx3cjnksvmZ0F9jLqQ%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/iyer123/CAL4idhMi-xYZA_UQzqDy7rbvsgdzJFg7Cx3cjnksvmZ0F9jLqQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. 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