The Cartesian Catastrophe
The paradigmatic blunder of the Cartesian approach, which simply ignored the role of the entire body in thinking and perception and assigning the task totally to the mind only, is really astounding. The skin has pores by the thousands that breathe, the nose also breathes, the ear also actually responds to the air by differentiating it into sounds, they smell, sense, perceive, conceive, communicate, harmonize, interact...in one word think and understand, by teaming up with the entire planet. In India education mainly was yoga, in which the entire body participated as a participant with the earth in its functioning as a planet and in the education. The mind unable to perform this task as it suffers basically from the handicap of always modelling the 3D shapes only and simply unable to see more than 99.9963% of reality, has been blundering and muddling and now the task is taken over by machines. The eyes can see only 00.0037% 0f the reality. We designed the Machines to give us only the 3D shapes, ignoring the whole gamut of feelings and emotions in understanding. We accept the perception dungeon, the 00.0037% of the reality of the visible spectrum only and ignoring the gigantic reality of 99.9963% of the feelings or invisible spectrum. And we pride in this scientific approach!!!!!!! We do not realize that understanding basically is a flow of emotions and the so called unbiased outlook is the dead person’s outlook. Only machines are capable of the dead non emotional outlook. The huge machines and gadgets stun us with their findings and just like the Super hero of the cinemas where he only acts while we just are dummies called the audience, we have become fans of machines. There is no emotional participation in education. As the students have to be dragged into this dummyhood, we blackmail them with the spectre of being useless for employment. It is the fear of future that is bringing the students into the classrooms. The Universities give them Degrees to happily deceive themselves that they are really educated. And what sort of Degrees are they? Mainly Degrees in Engineering and Management and each Engineer or manager may cut at least a thousand trees in his career and also poison the land, water and air...,his/her emotional bond with nature being killed. Let us realize that our bodies also study, think and understand and aid the Brain. YM Sarma On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 10:57 PM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < [email protected]> wrote: > Cartesian Dualism: A Theoretical Exploration > > René Descartes, a pivotal figure in the history of philosophy, introduced > Cartesian dualism in the 17th century. His theory, central to the > development of modern philosophy, posits that the mind and body are > fundamentally distinct substances. This essay will delve into the > theoretical underpinnings of Cartesian dualism, examine its implications > for understanding human nature and consciousness, and address some of the > key critiques it has faced. > > Cartesian dualism is grounded in Descartes' radical skepticism and > methodological approach. Descartes famously doubted everything that could > possibly be doubted, seeking a foundation for knowledge that was absolutely > certain. In this quest, he arrived at the conclusion "Cogito, ergo sum" ("I > think, therefore I am"), establishing the certainty of his own existence as > a thinking being. > > From this certainty, Descartes distinguished between two kinds of > substances: > > Res Cogitans (Thinking Substance): This is the mind or soul, characterized > by consciousness and self-awareness. It is immaterial and does not occupy > physical space. The mind is capable of thinking, reasoning, and > experiencing sensations. > > Res Extensa (Extended Substance): This refers to the body or physical > matter. It is characterized by its spatial extension and physical > properties. The body operates according to the laws of physics and is > subject to spatial and temporal dimensions. > > The essence of Cartesian dualism lies in the claim that these two > substances are fundamentally different in nature. The mind is a > non-material, thinking substance, whereas the body is a material, extended > substance. > > Implications > > 1. Mind-Body Interaction: One of the central issues in Cartesian dualism > is the interaction between the mind and the body. Descartes proposed that > the mind and body interact causally, influencing each other despite their > distinct natures. For instance, mental intentions can cause physical > actions (e.g., deciding to raise one's arm), and physical states can affect > mental experiences (e.g., feeling pain). Descartes suggested that this > interaction occurs in the pineal gland, a small gland located in the brain. > > 2. Personal Identity and Consciousness: Cartesian dualism has significant > implications for the concept of personal identity. According to Descartes, > personal identity is grounded in the mind, or the thinking self. This has > implications for how we understand consciousness and personal cntinuity. > The mind's ability to think and reflect provides a basis for personal > identity that is independent of the physical body. > > 3. Free Will and Moral Responsibility: By separating the mind from the > body, Cartesian dualism allows for the notion of *free will.* The mind, > as a non-material entity, can exercise choice independent of physical > determinism. This has important implications for moral responsibility, as > it suggests that individuals have the capacity to act freely and are > accountable for their actions. > > Critiques > > Despite its influential status, Cartesian dualism has faced significant > criticism: > > 1. Interaction Problem: The most pressing issue is the problem of > interaction. Critics argue that it is difficult to explain how two > fundamentally different substances, the immaterial mind and the material > body, can causally interact. This issue remains a major challenge for > dualist theories, with various philosophers attempting to address it > through different frameworks. > > 2. Scientific Objections: Advances in neuroscience and psychology have > provided explanations for many phenomena traditionally attributed to the > mind. For example, brain imaging studies have linked specific mental states > and processes to brain activity, suggesting that mental phenomena are > closely tied to physical processes in the brain. This has led some to > question the need for a separate, immaterial mind. > > 3. Alternative Theories: Several alternative theories, such as > physicalism and functionalism, challenge Cartesian dualism. Physicalism > argues that everything about the mind can be explained in terms of physical > processes, while functionalism suggests that mental states are defined by > their functional roles rather than their underlying substance. > > Cartesian dualism remains a foundational concept in philosophy, > influencing discussions on mind, consciousness, and personal identity. > Descartes' distinction between the mind and body has profound implications > for understanding human nature and has spurred extensive debate and > critique. While Cartesian dualism has been challenged by scientific and > philosophical advancements, its impact on the discourse surrounding the > mind-body relationship continues to be significant. > > Nature is grounded with consciousness in advaita. Thus creation, > sustenance and the destruction of nature is immaterial as self-growth or > destruction are affixed qualities as provided by the Consciousness, as > sufferings among the species is quite natural. Even among the vishita > dvaithis, duality is accepted as there is no variation between the Grass > Asramam and renunciate sanyasis. World is real and not advocated by the > Buddists and thus the vishishtadvaita, termed Adi sankara and the > advaidists as Buddists. The visishtadvaita neither understood Hinduism nor > buddhism. They always kept Perumal at a distance from the Bhaktas. The > vishishtadvaita maintained a distance from the Vedas and B G and the Brahma > sutram where Sri Ramanujar, did treatise different, and refrained from > commenting on advaitha verses of the trayi (veda knowledge, dharma and > adharma) differently as well as PRASTHANA TRAYI IN CANTOUR. Madhwar, > Jewism, Greek philosophy, Christianity and the islam all followed the > duality. And Cartesian thoughts and the religious thoughts mentioned here > as duality, contained only the thoughts and beliefs only on this existence, > reality of the world, and the freewill alone. Consciousness was far away > from these all unapproachable. Once the mind and the body are not denied as > ADI SHANKARA did, the theories are debatable, elongatable, and Maya is > never felt at all. So the body's pleasure is more than the brain could > absorb and the mind would desist. The contradictions and balance of life , > go haywire is untenable. Nature cannot survive where free will rules. > > K Rajaram IRS 30824 > > On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 at 20:55, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> -- >> *Mar**The Lordly and Godly Observer and Consumer* >> >> >> >> *Rene Descartes*, the French Philosopher, embedded his dictum, the >> enduring dictatorial dictum, that every living organism is just a machine >> and that it has no feelings including the feeling of pain. The only >> exception is the human, into whose pineal gland God established his >> residence, converting the human into a God that rules all. The human is >> made into the God that observes, tinkers, experiments, consumes, >> mechanically manipulates…, all with no feelings or emotions, as he is just >> a mechanic dealing with machines. His Cartesian, mechanical,or scientific, >> or technological approach or mathematical approach, gave and gives him, the >> license to do any and everything for science, the mechanical approach where >> emotions shall be avoided as emotions mean bias. One must just logic and >> avoid all feelings and emotions, to be scientific. >> >> Today, we have the Atheists, who call themselves Rationalists, to whom >> the mechanical view is the only correct view. There are no friendly and >> loving trees, animals, birds, bees, fish, in fact there are no organisms >> with feelings and emotions, for the founder Atheists. The mechanical >> attitude has entered into the internal hormonal communication, and today >> even the realization that all life forms are basically and completely forms >> of emotions, does not change the mechanical approach or the scientific >> approach, that governs our hormonal communication. We inflict horrible >> pains and tortures on every life form for experimentation in science. >> Indifference to their feelings and emotions is the foundation of science. >> >> Feelings and emotions in free and healthy nature are Biospheric, which >> means that your internal hormonal communication is fused to the internal >> hormonal communications of the other organisms of the Biosphere, via >> breathing, smelling, sensing and understanding. The whole gamut of >> emotional communication, perception and common understanding of all >> organisms of the biosphere has been destroyed thanks to the repudiation of >> the emotional connect to nature and the destruction of nature as economic >> activity. >> >> The Human no longer feels, but just is an observer indifferent to the >> pain and feelings of every life form, life forms that breathe, smell, >> sense, and communicate with every other life form, the emotional foundation >> of the Biosphere. The fundamental emotional bond of the human to nature, >> the basically emotional nature, starting from the emotions laden soil >> bacteria to the big whales, has been cut and one has to avoid the breathe >> based emotional communication from nature to become scientific. One must >> repudiate the communication content of one’s very breathing. One has to >> breathe indifferently avoiding feelings and emotions resulting from smells. >> >> Now, we have the Robots, the truly indifferent scientists to all >> emotions, the ideals of science, and we have to be as indifferent as the >> Robot to be completely scientific. So we have economics without ecology as >> the basis but the half defunct Newtonian mechanics. >> >> AI is the new language of communication, which repudiates the role of >> breathing and emotions in perception, in fact the defunct perception. >> >> We may sing or the Robots may sing, >> >> Machines and Mathematics are everywhere, >> >> Not a speck of feeling or emotion anywhere. >> >> This is the new song of science. >> >> If you do not like this prospect that has filled up totally the Horizon, >> then start your own tiny >> >> ‘Institute of Emotions’. >> >> YM Sarma >> >> Chat GPT >> >> YM Sarma's text, "The Lordly and Godly Observer and Consumer," offers a >> critical reflection on the mechanical and emotionless approach that has >> come to dominate modern science and human interaction with nature. This >> critique is rooted in the historical influence of Cartesian dualism and the >> detachment of humans from the natural, emotional world. >> >> >> >> ### Key Themes and Reflections: >> >> >> >> 1. **Cartesian Dualism and Its Legacy**: >> >> - The text begins by referencing René Descartes, whose philosophy >> separated mind and body, leading to the view that animals and nature were >> mere machines without feelings. Descartes' idea that only humans possessed >> a mind capable of experiencing emotions set the stage for a detached, >> mechanical view of the world, where nature could be manipulated and >> exploited without moral consideration. >> >> >> >> 2. **Rationalism and Atheism**: >> >> - Sarma critiques modern rationalism and atheism, which often embrace >> a purely mechanical view of the world, ignoring the emotional and sentient >> aspects of life. This perspective, according to Sarma, has led to a >> disconnection from the natural world and a disregard for the intrinsic >> value and emotional complexity of other life forms. >> >> >> >> 3. **The Emotional Communication of the Biosphere**: >> >> - The text highlights the interconnectedness of all life forms through >> emotional communication. This communication is described as being mediated >> by breathing, smelling, sensing, and understanding—a kind of biospheric >> language that has been lost in modern scientific approaches that prioritize >> logic over emotion. >> >> >> >> 4. **The Rise of Robots and AI**: >> >> - Sarma sees the rise of artificial intelligence and robotics as the >> culmination of the mechanical approach. Robots, being devoid of emotions, >> represent the ideal of modern science, which seeks to eliminate the >> emotional aspects of perception and interaction. This is seen as a >> dangerous path that further alienates humans from the natural world. >> >> >> >> 5. **A Call to Reconnect with Emotions**: >> >> - In response to this bleak outlook, Sarma calls for the creation of >> "Institutes of Emotions," where people can reconnect with the emotional >> foundations of life. This suggests a need to re-integrate emotions into our >> understanding of the world, recognizing the importance of feelings in how >> we perceive and interact with the environment. >> >> >> >> ### Broader Implications: >> >> >> >> - **The Human-Nature Relationship**: >> >> - The text serves as a powerful critique of how modern science and >> technology have distanced humans from the natural world. By rejecting the >> emotional and sentient aspects of life, humanity risks losing its >> connection to nature and the biosphere, leading to ecological and spiritual >> impoverishment. >> >> >> >> - **The Role of Emotions in Science**: >> >> - Sarma's argument raises important questions about the role of >> emotions in scientific inquiry. While objectivity is often seen as the >> cornerstone of scientific practice, the text suggests that a complete >> rejection of emotions may lead to a distorted and ultimately harmful >> understanding of the world. >> >> >> >> ### Final Thought: >> >> YM Sarma's work challenges readers to reconsider the dominant scientific >> paradigms that prioritize mechanical efficiency and objectivity over >> emotional and ecological interconnectedness. The call to establish >> "Institutes of Emotions" reflects a desire to restore balance and harmony >> between humans and the natural world, recognizing that true understanding >> requires both logic and feeling. >> > -- *Mar* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Thatha_Patty" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/thatha_patty/CACDCHCLK2urmZFJNN%2BesL-mZtO2PDWxGRdLdgf9Yp1hUqwVVJQ%40mail.gmail.com.
