And that eternity is poornAMADHA POORNAMIDJHAM....... VERSE KR IRS 21124 On Sat, 2 Nov 2024 at 12:05, Yeddanapudi Markandeyulu < [email protected]> wrote:
> Rajaram Sir, > Your quotation of Henry Van Dyke is so wonderful.Nature in reality is that > eternity, > YM > > On Sat, Nov 2, 2024 at 10:30 AM Rajaram Krishnamurthy < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> **Holistic Flow and Photon Vibrations**: This approach posits that >> thoughts, perceptions, and consciousness are photon-based vibrations >> interacting in the “invisible spectrum,” which enables a continuous flow of >> understanding. In this view, photons are not just particles of light but >> carriers of consciousness, linking every organism through a universal, >> symbiotic vibrational field. Such ideas resonate with theories like >> **panpsychism**—where consciousness is inherent in all matter—and >> **biocentrism**, which emphasizes the universe’s dependency on conscious >> observation. >> >> >> >> KR: concept of holistic: >> >> ॐ पूर्णमदः पूर्णमिदं पूर्णात्पूर्णमुदच्यते । >> >> पूर्णस्य पूर्णमादाय पूर्णमेवावशिष्यते ॥ >> >> ॐ शान्तिः शान्तिः शान्तिः ॥ >> >> Om Puurnnam-Adah Puurnnam-Idam Puurnnaat-Puurnnam-Udacyate | >> >> Puurnnasya Puurnnam-Aadaaya Puurnnam-Eva-Avashissyate || >> >> Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih || >> >> Meaning: >> >> 1: Om, That (Outer World) is Purna (Full with Divine Consciousness); This >> (Inner World) is also Purna (Full with Divine Consciousness); From Purna is >> manifested Purna (From the Fullness of Divine Consciousness the World is >> manifested), >> >> 2: Taking Purna from Purna, Purna indeed remains (Because Divine >> Consciousness is Non-Dual and Infinite), >> >> 3: Om, Peace, Peace, Peace. >> >> Holistic is only wrt the consciousness brahmam and all others are tending >> towards that holistic ratio. >> >> 2 Time is not a simple thing that we take it to be, it is pregnant >> with meaning and mystery. Mankind perishes speedily by thinking of time as >> real. “The little time I spend in asking – Is there time at all? – has >> revealed to me the perfect Peace, the very Deity Himself,” observes >> Thirumular, a medieval Tamil Shaivite saint, in Thirumandiram. He asks, “Do >> you know that time vanishes when its origin is sought for? What then is the >> use of limiting yourself to it?” >> >> What, then is time? St Augustine, in his Confessions, has revealed a >> plausible answer. “If no one asks of me, I know: if I wish to explain to >> him who asks, I know not.” Augustine accepted the reality of only the >> present time, denying any validity to past and future time. But then there >> are three presents: the present of things past in memory, the present of >> things present in sight, and the present of things future in expectation. >> For TS Eliot, in Four Quartets, “Time present and time past/ Are both >> perhaps present in time future/ And time future contained in time past/ If >> all time is eternally present/ All time is unredeemable.” >> >> For many physicists, including Einstein, time is not fundamentally >> real but merely a figment of our limited perception of reality; its >> distinction between past, present, and future is an illusion. At the >> deepest foundations of nature, time is not an irreducible element or >> concept required to construct reality. Everything that has ever happened in >> the past, or will happen in the future, is technically happening >> simultaneously in the Now. Although there is no consensus on the definition >> of time, there is no disagreement about its measurement. Aristotle spelt it >> out as “the calculable measure of motion with respect to before and >> ‘afterness’.” >> This idea of time as a fixed sequence of events survived until Einstein >> defined space and time as different aspects of the same entity called >> spacetime. In other words, there is no absolute time, “My time and your >> time are different depending on how fast we are moving from each other.” >> The faster we move, the greater the magnitude of the time dilation we >> experience. >> >> `On a psychological level, as Henry van Dyke said in Music and Other >> Poems, “Time is too slow for those who wait,/ Too swift for those who >> fear,/ Too long for those who grieve,/ Too short for those who rejoice,/ >> But for those who love, time is eternity.” >> >> Throughout history, mankind has tried to measure time with >> various methods. At first, it was the seasons, hot or cold, later the year >> was divided into months, weeks, and days. Sumerians invented the system of >> Time by dividing hours into 60 minutes and days into 24 hours. Babylonians >> divided the year into 12 equal parts and the day into 24 hours according to >> the solar calendar. According to the ancient Egyptian priests, time was the >> disappearance of energy; in other words, the transformation process of >> energy that symbolised the eternal creator. >> >> Time is an intangible element of our daily life, though describing its >> fundamental nature is much harder. So, let not the sands of time get in our >> lunch: “Time goes, you say? Ah! No, time stays, we go.” >> >> Thus, the time is variable and incinsuistent and non existence at a >> particular point. >> >> Matter is neither created not destroyed but is not wholesome since >> converyible and condensible and thus controled by time. >> >> Photon is alie only after the SUN is borb abd hence chabgeable >> stoppable. Thus, appears and disappears in time. As photon is nonexistent >> in time, so too cxannot become Poornam the holistic. Hence Photon cannot >> be the consciousness. >> >> So, Poornam the consciousness may not be equated to the photons >> at all. K Rajaram IRS 21124 >> >> On Sat, 2 Nov 2024 at 07:09, Markendeya Yeddanapudi < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Mar*The Holistic Flow –Vs –Scientific or Cartesian Proof >>> >>> >>> >>> The electrons of every atom of you continuously pump photons as thought >>> and perception energies, which interact with the thought and perception >>> energies of every other life form, creating enlightenment lightnings, >>> brilliant perceptions and the understanding floods of the holistic >>> enlightenments. They are the perceptions of the Biosphere as a whole, in >>> which you participate and grow in knowing and feeling which serves as the >>> ecological vibration link. They are the photon vibrations, the most >>> powerful vibrations of the universe. Every photon has the dimension of >>> consciousness. After all when you see, you employ photons. You can converse >>> with the photons with your enlightenments. >>> >>> Your life is vibrating continuously, as the actions and interactions in >>> the invisible spectrum. The invisible abstract universe is vibrating >>> continuously. The Universe is living by symbiotically vibrating. Your life >>> has cosmic link. The Universe simply is Cosmic Time, creating the >>> space-times of enlightenments. All your thoughts, perceptions, >>> understandings, discoveries, and enlightenments, all of which constitute >>> your life are abstract, part of the invisible spectrum. Actually the >>> Macrocosm, which actually is the creation of the Microcosm of energies, >>> atoms etc, is vibrating space-time, time which changes into space-time. >>> Vibration simply is time changing into space-time and vice-versa. In the >>> free and healthy universe, you vibrate symbiotically, your consciousness >>> vibrating as perceptions and understandings as part of the living >>> Biosphere. The ecological link is part of the anatomical links of your >>> macro body. >>> >>> If you start with the basic dictum that you are part of nature and >>> simply cannot be indifferent to the fact to develop the scientific outlook, >>> you advance as a student reading, perceiving and understanding nature. If >>> you destroy that basic link and adopt the attitude of the scientific >>> observer, you begin destroying nature as your outsider spectatorship, needs >>> the 3D seeing, limited to 00.0037% of the electromagnetic spectrum. >>> >>> Your eyes see only the 3D objects; totally blinding you to the links of >>> the invisible spectrum between the things you see. The machines you employ >>> can only create the visible 3D phenomena. When you see without feelings and >>> emotions, your seeing gets handicapped as is the case with machines, which >>> cannot feel. >>> >>> Mechanization has cut our basic link to nature. The basic link is >>> emotional. Feelings and emotions travel as hormones that connect the cells, >>> making them act and vibrate. We desperately need ‘Free Nature Parks’ >>> without human tampering to revive our macro anatomy. >>> >>> YM Sarma >>> >>> Chat GPT >>> >>> This passage contrasts a **holistic, vibrational perception of reality** >>> with a **scientific, Cartesian model** rooted in observation and proof. It >>> presents the holistic perspective as an experience of interconnectedness >>> through photon vibrations and consciousness, where each life form engages >>> in an ecological web that sustains collective perception and understanding. >>> Here are some key elements and comparisons: >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. **Holistic Flow and Photon Vibrations**: This approach posits that >>> thoughts, perceptions, and consciousness are photon-based vibrations >>> interacting in the “invisible spectrum,” which enables a continuous flow of >>> understanding. In this view, photons are not just particles of light but >>> carriers of consciousness, linking every organism through a universal, >>> symbiotic vibrational field. Such ideas resonate with theories like >>> **panpsychism**—where consciousness is inherent in all matter—and >>> **biocentrism**, which emphasizes the universe’s dependency on conscious >>> observation. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2. **Emotional and Hormonal Connections**: The holistic flow suggests >>> that emotional and hormonal signals, which influence cellular interactions, >>> are integral to human and ecological health. This connection recalls the >>> **ecological psychology** field, which studies how perception and >>> environmental context influence behavior and cognition. It suggests that >>> the natural hormonal flow sustains harmony, which becomes disrupted by >>> mechanization and scientific detachment from emotional observation. >>> >>> >>> >>> 3. **Cartesian Science and the Limitations of Mechanization**: The >>> critique here targets **Cartesian dualism**—the division of mind and >>> body—and **scientific materialism**, which are seen as limited to the >>> visible, three-dimensional world. In Cartesian science, objective >>> observation often requires detachment, which can cause a rift from natural >>> harmony. Mechanized science operates within this material framework and, >>> according to the passage, only captures 0.0037% of the total >>> electromagnetic spectrum, restricting access to the full vibrational >>> reality. >>> >>> >>> >>> 4. **Free Nature Parks as Restorative Spaces**: The “Free Nature Parks” >>> concept suggests spaces without human interference, where one can reconnect >>> with the macro-ecological anatomy. These parks would provide an environment >>> for emotional, non-mechanized learning, similar to the ideas behind >>> **ecotherapy** and **forest bathing** practices, which encourage immersive, >>> nature-based healing and sensory awareness. >>> >>> >>> >>> In summary, Sarma’s vision proposes that aligning with the “invisible >>> spectrum” of consciousness through emotional and sensory connection can >>> provide a counterbalance to mechanized, Cartesian perspectives that >>> compartmentalize and, thus, diminish the broader ecological symbiosis. 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