I am now of the opinion that GREEN LANTERN is going to be a surprise hit. This thing is going to come out and be HUGE. It's this bizarre feeling I have and for some reason I see news pieces about how surprised everyone is that it did so well.
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Edward Crosby <[email protected]> wrote: > I forgot to mention that I base my prediction mostly on Ryan Reynolds, not > the movie in itself. Mr. Reynolds has mass appeal, especially to the ladies, > and I think he will be the one to draw the crowds. > So, when you make your predications, keep this factor in mind. > > ---------------------------------------- > Have a Better One, > Edward Crosby > http://about.me/edwardcrosby > > > On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Cary Preston <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm thinking $60 mil. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 6, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Jason Service <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> New thread open for the bet Raven suggested! >> On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Luke < <[email protected]> >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Maybe I am missing something, but are you suggesting that the LOTR >>> trilogy was not successful in it's effects work and that it was >>> somehow hurt by that? People flocked to see the LOTR films multiple >>> times in the theater because it was an immersive and fascinating >>> world. Much like Star Wars (I am told; obviously I was not alive yet >>> to see that one in the theater let alone multiple times). And please >>> don't misunderstand me, I love the effects in the Original Trilogy, >>> but there are flaws there too. As humans we are acclimated to reality >>> and something which looks fake will look fake no matter what technique >>> is used to create it. The Death Star Trench sequence holds up as well >>> as it does now some... let me count because you folks made fun of me >>> for my bad math in an earlier thread... 34 years after the fact >>> because the Dykstraflex did its job perfectly, and the ILM model team >>> paid attention to the details to the point that those ships WERE real >>> as far as the eye is concerned. (Lucas basing the fight on WW2 footage >>> helps this as well.) That the asteroid field in Empire looks like >>> garbage is because of the technique being used was not perfected at >>> the time and there was no other way to achieve it with the Dykstraflex >>> without the traveling matte. (By comparison, watch The Black Hole, >>> which features similar shots of objects moving across each other -- >>> the use of the ACES camera and the Mattescan device allowed this to be >>> smoothly done without the need for the travelling matte from Empire). >>> So it stands out because it breaks "reality" in a way the ships or the >>> suits or animatronics do not. >>> >>> Regarding visual vocabulary, I think my claim is valid. Afterall, >>> this is an age where entertainment media pundits fall all over >>> themselves to elevate video games to high art or "true" >>> entertainment. Obviously the rendered, ful CGI style visual image is >>> an accepted one for the masses, since video gaming has become not just >>> accepted but now mainstream and "hip." >>> >>> Folks won't go see Green Lantern multiple times in the theater >>> nowadays because of the nature of the Hollywood tentpole cycle. Like >>> you say, Cars 2 is right on it's heels, and more afterwards. The >>> filmgoer today is conditioned to think that what's hot and new this >>> week is old next week, because there is something else wihch is now >>> hot and new. It takes something outrageously out of the ordinary to >>> break that, and the LOTR films are like that. This summer, the only >>> film I predict will be like that is HP 7.2, just because ITS THE LAST >>> ONE DUN DUN DUNNNN! and all that. The fact that 7.1 was a marked >>> improvement over the snoozefests that were 5 and 6 helps, too. >>> >>> In any event I am probably going to go see the film. For one thing I >>> would like to see a DC movie in the theater which is not a snoozer >>> like Superman Returns nor Super Serious And Important! like Batman >>> Begins and The Dark Knight. Plus my buddy Joe is a huge GL fan (being >>> an Air Force brat will do that to you) and obviously he is jazzed for >>> it. >>> >>> On May 5, 10:06 pm, [email protected] wrote: >>> > The snake thing in Conan looks dumb in the same way the Clash of the >>> Titans trailer was ruined by that fifty-million dollar yawn-monster at the >>> end. What's around the corner, Perseus, what's making that noise? >>> It's....it's....COMPUTER MATH. >>> > >>> > Fact is, the throne room scene in Flash Gordon (1980) looks more exotic >>> and exciting than the sweeping video game cut-scene they're calling Oa. >>> > It's possible kids will accept the "visual vocabulary of the present >>> cinematic age," in the way we, as kids, accepted the skeletons in Jason and >>> the Argonauts or King Kong, etc, but...I don't think any kids are excited >>> about this movie. >>> > >>> > I mean maybe a few nerdads are pushing them toward it. >>> > >>> > Kid: I wanna see Thaw. >>> > Nerdad: What about, Green Lantern, buddy? Don't you wanna see a guy >>> who has a ring? >>> > Kid: Like...the one you got for mom? Thaw has a hammaw. >>> > Nerdad: Ha, ha, no no, like the...ok, let's see Thor. >>> > >>> > Thor has a kajillion effects in it, but....Thor himself looks like a >>> person. You can relate to him. I think a "glow" or something around a real >>> costume would have gotten across the idea of the ring generating clothing. >>> Maybe it's an "uncanny valley" issue. Like Shag articulated, its not that >>> the effects look baaaad, it's that the whole thing is effects. Like with >>> Lord of the Rings, I guess, the idea is people will buy the DVD and pause >>> every few seconds so they can jizz over all the detailed design work at >>> whichever speed they jizz at, but...that aint gonna help opening weekend. >>> >>> > As you point out, Luke, people complained about the effects in SW >>> (though isn't there something about it looking different on tv than on the >>> big screen? Like, those yellow squares around the TIE Fighters were a tv >>> thing? Someone?), but...people saw SW in the theater and continued to see >>> it and talk about it. No one will see Green Lantern. Bomb ahoy. >>> > >>> > Should we have another bet thing like with Watchmen and Scott Pilgrim? >>> > >>> > I say it gets crushed by....Mr. Popper's Penguins!!! You down with >>> MPP?!! >>> > >>> > That trailer, btw, was cut by amateurs. It looks teerrrrrible! And >>> yet....it will kiiiilll Green Lantern!! Then, GL will be buried by Cars 2 >>> the following week to disappear forever! Sinestro wins! >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Luke <[email protected]> >>> > To: The Unique Geek < <[email protected]> >>> [email protected]> >>> > Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 3:45 am >>> > Subject: [The Unique Geek] Re: New Green Lantern trailer shows off the >>> Guardians of the Universe - io9 >>> > >>> > I'm more disappointed by the CGI monster in the new Conan trailer than >>> > any of the CGI in the Green Lantern trailers, frankly. That's the >>> > visual vocabulary of the present cinematic age. >>> > >>> > You want an eye opener? Go read some contemporary genre magazines >>> > when Empire or Jedi came out. Cinefantastique especially lambastes >>> > some of ILM's work. We idealize these physical effects in our minds, >>> > but I still cringe everytime I watch the original version of Empire >>> > with the God awful travelling mattes in the asteroid field. Even as >>> > late as 89 (Last Crusade) its pretty easy to spot complaining >>> > criticism of ILM's work. So not liking special effects and thinking >>> > things look "fake" is a time honored nerd tradition. >>> > >>> > On May 5, 10:05 am, Edward Crosby <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > Again, I have no problem with the CGI costume, I think it looks fine. >>> And, I >>> > > think it does look like it could exist in the real world. Remember, >>> the GL's >>> > > costume in the comic books, for the most part, is energy constructed >>> by that >>> > > GL. I can imagine the costume having that glow in the real world. >>> > >>> > > ---------------------------------------- >>> > > Have a Better One, >>> > > Edward Crosbyhttp://about.me/edwardcrosby >>> > >>> > > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:55 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > For me it's not a case that the CGI looks bad, it's the sheer >>> volume of >>> > > > CGI. In some shots there is simply too much going on (all done by >>> CGI). >>> > > > For example, in Revenge of the Sith, the space battle featured too >>> many >>> > > > things going on (all done by CGI). So while the battle was more >>> massive >>> > > > than the space battle in Return of the Jedi, there was just too >>> much to >>> > > > see. The space battle in Revenge of the Sith is less exciting than >>> the >>> > > > Return of the Jedi battle for that reason. >>> > >>> > > > In regard to the Green Lantern costume, the choice to go with CGI >>> is >>> > > > disappointing. It makes the costume harder to believe it's real. >>> It just >>> > > > doesn't look like it could exist in the real world. A simpler >>> real-world >>> > > > costume with a CGI aura might have worked better. >>> > >>> > > > Just my two cents. >>> > >>> > > > The Irredeemable Shag >>> > > > <http://firestormfan.com/>http://firestormfan.com >>> > > > <http://onceuponageek.com/>http://onceuponageek.com >>> > > > <http://twitter.com/onceuponageek>http://twitter.com/onceuponageek >>> > >>> > > > -------- Original Message -------- >>> > > > Subject: Re: [The Unique Geek] Re: New Green Lantern trailer shows >>> off >>> > > > the Guardians of the Universe - io9 >>> > > > From: Edward Crosby <[email protected]> >>> > > > Date: Thu, May 05, 2011 9:47 am >>> > > > To: <[email protected]>[email protected] >>> > >>> > > > Yeah, I am confused why people keep stating that the CG looks bad >>> > > > (Ravenface and other TUG members). As compared to what? Avatar? >>> Sure. Tron >>> > > > Legacy? Absolutely. Sucker Punch? Maybe. Iron Man 2? No way. >>> > > > Widge made a really good point on the last recorded TUG podcast >>> recording >>> > > > and I agree with him. He stated, and I'm paraphrasing, that we all >>> have such >>> > > > a high standard of CG these days that if something comes along that >>> meets or >>> > > > doesn't exceed the bar then we turn our heads in disgust. From what >>> I have >>> > > > seen, the CG in this movie is by far some of the best we have seen >>> in >>> > > > today's live action movies. I think another reason we turn our >>> heads in >>> > > > disgust of the CG in this movie is because there is so much of it. >>> But there >>> > > > has to be as this is a Green Lantern movie set mostly in a >>> fictional world >>> > > > and fictional universe that has to be pulled out of one of the most >>> extreme >>> > > > mediums that is the comic book. There is no way this movie could >>> have been >>> > > > done well with all the CG needed five years ago. >>> > > > I'm not making any judgement about this movie now, if I can help >>> it. At >>> > > > first, yes, I judged the teaser trailer and cringed. Recent >>> trailers give me >>> > > > more hope that this may be an entertaining movie. I know it will >>> not be a >>> > > > blockbuster movie but I will reserve judgement of whether it is >>> good or not >>> > > > after I have seen it when I see it opening weekend. >>> > >>> > > > ---------------------------------------- >>> > > > Have a Better One, >>> > > > Edward Crosby >>> > > > <http://about.me/edwardcrosby>http://about.me/edwardcrosby >>> > >>> > > > -- >>> > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> > > > "The Unique Geek" group. >>> > > > To post to this group, send email to >>> <[email protected]>[email protected]. >>> > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> > > > <theuniquegeek%[email protected]> >>> [email protected]. >>> > > > For more options, visit this group at >>> > > > <http://groups.google.com/group/theuniquegeek?hl=en.-Hide> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/theuniquegeek?hl=en.-Hide quoted text - >>> > >>> > > - Show quoted text - >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "The >>> > Unique Geek" group. >>> > To post to this group, send email to <[email protected]> >>> [email protected]. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> <theuniquegeek%[email protected]> >>> [email protected]. >>> > For more options, visit this group >>> > athttp://<http://groups.google.com/group/theuniquegeek?hl=en.-> >>> groups.google.com/group/theuniquegeek?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - >>> > >>> > - Show quoted text - >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "The Unique Geek" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to <[email protected]> >>> [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> <theuniquegeek%[email protected]> >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> <http://groups.google.com/group/theuniquegeek?hl=en> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/theuniquegeek?hl=en. >>> >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Unique Geek" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/theuniquegeek?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Unique Geek" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/theuniquegeek?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Unique Geek" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/theuniquegeek?hl=en. > -- This post/e-mail was written by Michael Bailey, Superman Apologist -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Unique Geek" group. 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