Ralph, Now you got it right. The biggest problem is that M$ Hotmail are trying everything in the book to make it nearly impossible to access our mailboxes and download our email for offline use. For those users that can use Pop3, it is fine but us that are behind firewalls and those that have dial-up service it is a real pain in the backside to say the least.
Micro$oft in general has plain gotten greedy and is doing everything in the book and then some trying to force us paid for our software and free (not so free) services over and over again especially our operating systems even we change out just the hard drive. So-called locking the operating system to the hard drive and some manufactures' provided disks won't let you upgrade unless you buy new operating disks. That is why most of my newer systems that I build here from spares have Linux on them. It takes time to get use to their style of operating but have found that I may actually like it better. I was on dial-up for years and even downloading emails can be problem especially for those that can only services like Netzero and Juno; of which both, now limit you a total ten hours total combined. Netzero use to allow you 40 hours per month of online time when I join them. I finally got on a low cost dial-up service VTISP with 150 hours per month but they cut my hours last year to 100 and increase the monthly fee considerably. When your on a fix income and everything keeps going up like has been lately it nearly impossible to upgrade services when food is more important. I even had to drop my health insurance as I could no longer make the premium payments. For those that are complaining about it taking time to fix the Hotmail extension. First you got to understand that the webmail author like most us has a paying job and a family that comes first. Second he is providing these extensions for free. Third as with any software it takes time to compare the code and find out what the other party has done to stop him from accessing the accounts. So of the extension that provide support for were not even written by him but he has volunteer his time to keep them working. He knows the code as written better than any of us out here. It is many thousand of lines long and sometimes it is as simple as just adding a few lines and then sometimes the added lines end up creating more problems. So please bear with him and let him do his magic with this extension. For those that think they can do a better job please step up to the plate. I would like to see an extension that can access my Netzero/Juno webmail done. Personally I am trying to learn the Java Script so I can try but I have too many thing going here to keep my mind on the task at hand. Eugene On Jul 28, 10:43 pm, Ralph Stokes <[email protected]> wrote: > If You Use POP, All You Will Get is the Items In. > > You Will Have No access to Your Other Folders like Spam, by going to the > website, 4 or 5 times a day. > > POP is a Freebie Account, > > The Premier Account Is IMAP, but costs money, but the Webmail Extension > Imitates the Premium Account. > > The Premier IMAP Account Gives You Access to Your Folders, including > your Spam Folders, which is vital. > > With the POP Account You only have Accent to your "In Box" . And the > cheep POP Has Been Given to Us, According to Microsoft, So we Can Access > our Phones and portable devices. > > With the cheap POP which everything uses back for decades, including the > earliest Palm PDAs, > > With POP/SMTP, the following occurs, normally > By Default, once you have received that new unread email into the > InBox of the Account. > You Cannot Access the Out Box nor Junk/spam Folder in the Mail Box, so > you have to either go to the Hotmail Website to check out to ensure > there are no impoortant emails filtered into the Spam/junk Filter, or to > see what is in the out box , and other folders. Microsoft Get Paid When > You Visit the Mail boxes, and especially if you click on adverts they > want you to press to their services and other services. Microsoft want > you to to one of at least 3 things. Visit Their Site to have chance for > them making money, each visit. To Get you hooked on Hotmail, and have us > give our friends your hotmail addresses to resell the name, and they > join, and, more important, for you to realize you have to get access to > more folders than than the Hotmail InBox, that you need access to all > the folders, and give in and buy a Premium IMAP Account that can give > you access to most folders, without having to go to the website to do so. > Also, with POP/SMTP I think on the website, after you have Downloaded as > POP it may Show all mails as unread. > > I Use POP on my Phones PDAs, which are usually set not to delete, when > you delete on phone, and to leave unread, so only delete on Thunderbird. > > With IMAP, normally What You See is what you get, and everything is > Live. Mail Comes Into Inbox, and when you read it, it shows it has been > read. If you then open Firefox and go to Hotmail Website, you will see > exactly the same, ie, the mail is in the inbox, but shows as being read. > In the Junk/Spam Folder, on both Thunderbird IMAP and Website Hotmail, > will be the same. In Some IMAP Accounts, like in Googlemail, you can > connect folders you have added, and have them sync in a Googlemail IMAP. > If You Delete in one place it will delete on the other place. Some email > accounts have limitations, or set life, like AOL might be 1 or 2 months > before items drop off, and Hotmail might be 6 months. Normally on most > IMAP Folders, with an account and its boxes, you cannot pull an email > from a Local Folder to an IMAP folder, because in the same way you cant > drag an email from Firefox Hotmail Web Site, over to Thunderbird folder, > however you can move or copy emails from many folders within the same > IMAP account. e.g you can Drag emails from AOL IMAP in or out boxes into > Saved on AOL, AOL SPAM Deleted, etc. > > Now, With my Hotmail Account, with Webmail Hotmail, That Has maybe 10, > 000 emails going back 5 Years, in all the Different Columns, complete > with Spam, and In Box, and OUT Box For Some Reason, the creator has done > a wonderful job, as Somehow, in addition to be able to see immediatelty > what is in all the folders online, it has kept all my early emails > whithin the same folder, so if i go online to Hotmail, there may only be > 6 months there, but my Webmail goes 5 years earlier. In Theory, if I am > right, if I were to switch to Genuine IMAP, I might lose the older ones > because they are in the IMAP folders, but not on the website. > So what you have been doing is great, so I have access to the website > too, but not to lose 15,000 emails by changing my Hotmail to a different > system. > > So How Ever You Work it, up to now, which Mimics IMAP, yet Allows older > Hotmail Posts to Display still in Thunderbird. > > Thanks again, and I await a fix. I am not too technichal, now, as I Have > Huntingtons Disease, and takes forever to type t5his, > > Thanks and sorry for typos, and please correct me if I err.. > > Ralph :-) > > On 29/07/2010 01:36, alanrf wrote: > > > Thunderbird has no problems accessing Hotmail if you use the Hotmail > > POP/SMTP servers that are free to use for all Hotmail accounts > > worldwide. > > > In fact Thunderbird will set up the correct server names/ports/secure > > connections if you just let it. > > > On Jul 28, 2:07 pm, John Young<[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Yeah its not working for me either and I have installed the latest > >> update. > > >> What I cannot understand is how come other e-mail clients have no > >> problem accessing hotmail when Thunderbird has so many problems
