Thanks for clarifying!

*<$list filter="[!is[system] untagged[]]">* was wrong!
It must be* <$list filter="[untagged[]!is[system]]">* instead*.*
That's very similar to *<$list
filter="[!is[system]!tag[Tag1]!tag[Tag2]!tag[Tag3]]">*.

The latter is more complete. It contains the same tiddlers as the version
with *untagged[]* plus all tiddlers tagged for example:

   - TableOfContents
   - $:/tags/RawMarkup
   - $:/tags/Stylesheet
   - $:/tags/SideBar
   - $:/tags/KeyboardShortcut

These are not included in the regular table of contents nor in the
*untagged* group.

So I'm going to keep using *<$list
filter="[!is[system]!tag[Tag1]!tag[Tag2]!tag[Tag3]]">*. I don't introduce
new tags that often :-)

Am Mo., 4. Nov. 2019 um 23:07 Uhr schrieb Sylvain Comte <
[email protected]>:

> Hello,
>
> By the way
>
> * !has[tags] was not a good way to proceed. Only tiddlers WITHOUT a tags
> field will be listed. i.e. handcoded tiddlers since tw created ones always
> have a tags field,
> * untagged[] is a better way and will give you also tiddlers with empty
> tags field,
> * not sure about what !tag[Tag1]!tag[Tag2]!tag[Tag3] does differently in
> your case but I'd be interested by your investigations (system tags?)
>
> Cheers
>
> Sylvain
> @sycom
>
> Le lun. 4 nov. 2019 à 22:15, MaxGyver <[email protected]>
> a écrit :
>
>> Thanks for your answers!
>>
>>
>>> You are after a list of tiddlers not tagged with a specific set of tags,
>>> rather than tagless tiddlers?
>>>
>>
>> I want all tagless tiddlers because the table of contents only lists all
>> my tagged tiddlers.
>>
>> So a filter like !has[tags] or untagged[] seems to be fine.
>>
>> I would expect that these three filters return the same tiddlers (because
>> I only use three different tags so far):
>>
>>    1. <$list filter="[!is[system]!has[tags]]">
>>    2. <$list filter="[!is[system]!tag[Tag1]!tag[Tag2]!tag[Tag3]]">
>>    3. <$list filter="[!is[system] untagged[]]">
>>
>> But I get 12 vs. 45 vs. 77 tiddlers. I'll have a look into what the
>> tiddlers missing in list 1 and in list 2 have in common.
>>
>> And does anybody know how I get my filter into a foldable group like the
>> tag groups in the table of contents?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Max
>>
>>
>> Am Sonntag, 3. November 2019 23:37:13 UTC+1 schrieb TonyM:
>>>
>>> To clarify
>>>
>>> You are after a list of tiddlers not tagged with a specific set of tags,
>>> rather than tagless tiddlers?
>>>
>>> then you wish to automate the addition of tags to the specific set of
>>> tags without editing wiki text?
>>>
>>> first I would start with a tag of tags E.g.: "tag group" and tag your
>>> specific set of tags. Add-on another specific tag by tagging it with the
>>> "tag group"
>>>
>>> This is not the full solution (I'm on my mobile) but consider the use of
>>> the subfilter operator.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tony
>>>
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