Can we somehow pin this? On Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 20:26 TonyM <[email protected]> wrote:
> The *First Save* idea > > I am wondering if installing the local storage and rather than provide a > download you tiddlywiki we just provide a save your changes button, a > backup of changes only that can be restored if the browser looses this > storage. I imaging this could smooth the simple drive by but want to save > there changes crowd. > > Regards > Tony > > > On Monday, November 18, 2019 at 2:03:52 PM UTC+11, TonyM wrote: >> >> Folks, >> >> This post is seeking input from the community to overcome what I perceive >> to be the last big issue in saving. It may seem only suited to experienced >> users but perhaps you know something we don't, so please be brave and >> contribute. >> >> I may have an opportunity in coming months to work with a team of >> videographers in their off season. They do "things for good" and my thought >> was to build a nice application (on tiddlywiki) for people to explore how >> they or their business can participate in reaching the *Sustainable >> Development Goals (SDG's)*. This will promote the SDG's, their work, my >> work and the power of TiddlyWiki, but there seems to me, to still be an >> elephant in the room - saving. >> >> *How do we enable saving tiddlywikis for naive and casual users?* >> >> To be sure, I am across most saving mechanisms, and some are very good >> and quite easy to set up a very sophisticated solution, I use Timimi, >> TiddlyServer, TiddlyDesktop and Bob.exe >> >> Imagine someone visits my SDG app online >> >> - They could use it and apply changes but not save it >> - With local storage and save some changes in the browser but they >> may be lost later >> - They Can download it easily enough, even with their in browser or >> local storage content >> - But if they wish to open it again, make changes and save they then >> need to consider this https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted - scary >> for many. >> >> Basically I think tiddlywiki is brilliant and we have lots of wonderful >> options for saving, once someone gets involved with the ecosystem, I >> believe any nodeJS solution is hard to secure on the internet and like >> NoteSelf we have to manage the server, but it seems we are so close to a >> better single file solution (My Opinion). >> >> I know some saving mechanisms come close to helping *naive and casual >> users* however their remains a need to take unfamiliar steps, that can >> be quite fragile, especially to those not overly computer literate. Saving >> under downloads folders, running batches and installing local apps are all >> impediments to *naive and casual users* in my view, as this becomes >> Operating system dependant, demands more trust, will not work in many >> locked down cases and more. >> >> I am starting this thread to try and inspire some serious creativity to >> overcome this barrier. Here are some ideas floating in my head but I am >> keen to hear from you. >> >> - Any idea is a good idea >> - A diversity of ideas in needed >> - We may need to "think outside the box" >> - Can an existing solution be better engineered to meet these goals? >> >> Some of my own musings >> >> - One approach may be to never download the whole wiki, but store the >> changes in a separate file that is automatically loaded over the in >> browser >> one, and saved only by saving changes back to the nominated file. >> - Building all the necessary content to install Timimi or another >> saver from the single wiki (No other document or external info required) >> Not yet chrome and IE >> - A Form of bob.exe/TiddlyDesktop that can be loaded with a custom >> tiddlywiki that shows only that wiki unless some settings are changed in >> the control panel. Ie a single local installable. >> - A Way of packaging a TiddlyWiki with Node.exe and hosting on a port >> that will not clash with other server hosts, perhaps an packaged extension >> of TiddlySaver. >> - I was inspired to open this up to the community after playing with >> bookmarklets >> and Jeremy's solution >> >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/bookmarklets%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/pTInT6T4gMs/iJV5P-RPAgAJ> >> because >> javascript can be loaded into bookmarks I wonder if it could be used to >> save changes to local tiddlywiki files and reimport on click. >> - I also looked at solutions such as >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMacros which suggests there may be >> other ways to achieve the desired results. >> - IPFS, BeakerBrowser, CouchDB or saving to a MYSQL or even a >> wordpress database? >> >> >> All I want for Christmas is a simple way for *naive and casual users *to >> save their tiddlywiki (again and again) >> >> Yours Sincerely >> Tony >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/5b453d02-e774-4356-82fb-74e6c09e5336%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/5b453d02-e774-4356-82fb-74e6c09e5336%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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