* Is it worth the effort of changing the name? Absolutely, yes. As long as foobarwiki stands for whatever better name is decided. I like Card vs. Tiddler.
* What are the downsides of doing so? There's effort involved, obviously, and possibly an ongoing need to keep tiddlywiki.com and redirect to foorbarwiki. Historical / fan / dev sites may not be maintained to redirect to new site. * Coming up with suggestions for the new name is relatively easy, but what are the criteria that we should use to test the new name? (We wouldn't want to have to change it again) It should be tech-savvy, reflect what it is (OnePageWiki?), and not have any potential mutations. Like picking a name for a kid - you don't want to give them bully-friendly names, right? * Should we seek to keep things simple by choosing a name that retains the TW initials? If we can, but I wouldn't be wedded to it. On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 9:12 AM Jeremy Ruston <[email protected]> wrote: > Just to add to Mark's comment: It has been clear for a few years that some > users find the terms "TiddlyWiki" and "tiddler" to be a barrier to taking > it seriously. In particular, while the word "tiddler" is common and > innocent enough in Britain, it appears that for quite a few North American > users it carries obscene connotations that they consider self-evident. > > There's an example in this recent tweet: > > > It's all fun and games until you pass away and your significant other > has to log into something called TiddlyWiki and browse through Tiddlers to > find your last will testament. > > (See https://twitter.com/remembersonly/status/1228729946656428032) > > I have recently been thinking through what would be involved in a name > change, and am starting to think that it might not be a terrible idea. > > In order to understand some of the issues, I made a very simple experiment > where I wrote a script that takes the prerelease index.html and applies the > following four global search and replacements across the file: > > * TiddlyWiki --> FooBarWiki > * tiddlywiki --> foobarwiki > * Tiddler --> Card > * tiddler --> card > > The result is a fully functional TiddlyWiki with no remaining references > to the words "tiddlywiki" or "tiddler". Not only is the user interface text > fixed, the `<$tiddler>` widget becomes the `<$card>` widget, and the > `<$tranclude tiddler=foo/>` widget becomes `<$tranclude card=foo/>` etc. > > That simple approach is unlikely to be the way that we'd want to approach > the name change, but it establishes the technical feasibility of changing > the name. > > We'd need to provide an upgrade path for existing users. Perhaps we'd keep > tiddlywiki.com running for 12 months with a build that uses the terms > TiddlyWiki and tiddler, and a separate build at foobarwiki.com with the > new terminology. We'd also need a conversion tool for updating individual > wikis: we could offer an online tool and a command line option for Node.js. > > There's lots of interesting questions to consider before we even try to > settle on the new name itself, and I'm interested to hear other views. > > * Is it worth the effort of changing the name? > * What are the downsides of doing so? > * Coming up with suggestions for the new name is relatively easy, but what > are the criteria that we should use to test the new name? (We wouldn't want > to have to change it again) > * Should we seek to keep things simple by choosing a name that retains the > TW initials? > > Best wishes > > Jeremy > > Best wishes > > > -- > Jeremy Ruston > [email protected] > https://jermolene.com > > On 17 Feb 2020, at 15:53, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > These discussions about extending the outreach of TW always center around > some hypothetical > newby who is turned away by the complexity of TW. The reality is, that the > first time we > learn of the existence of a new comer, they're asking for advice on some > complicated, > convoluted mechanism that they've already devised. The technological > barrier doesn't seem > to keep motivated people away. > > Listen to the Podcast. What's keeping people away is the *name*. > > I know it's irrational to chose an information management system based on > a name, but > we live in an age of hyper-marketing -- everything gets marketed, branded, > recognized. > So if something is under-branded it goes nowhere no matter how good it is > because it's > up against hundreds of products with serious, professional sounding names. > > The name TiddlyWiki suggests a kid's game or plaything. It suggests > something that > someone made for fun but won't be here tomorrow. It doesn't suggest > something that > you could do serious work with or store your vital information in. It > doesn't suggest > something that will be here in 25 years. > > OneNote, Evernote, Cintanotes, Google Keep ... all have names that you're > not afraid > to say in an IT staff meeting. Names you don't have to mumble under your > breath > when you explain how you did something. And, you don't have to actually > get rid of > the name TiddlyWiki. You just make the publicly visible name something > like "TW Technology." "Wiki-T" . > > > > > On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 10:28:06 AM UTC-8, bimlas wrote: >> >> A wave started which could make TiddlyWiki more and more famous. *Now* >> we might need to make it really user-friendly, so that new people can >> easily get over the initial difficulties and stay with Tiddly. >> >> >> https://hackaday.com/2020/02/14/it-aint-over-til-the-paperwork-is-done-test-driving-tiddlywiki/ >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/ef02ea13-000d-4303-800c-230cbbe3ba22%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/ef02ea13-000d-4303-800c-230cbbe3ba22%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/9006A251-B3F5-4B11-A2FF-1EB80074115C%40gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/9006A251-B3F5-4B11-A2FF-1EB80074115C%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. 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