Hi Jeremy, I am using TW only on a desktop PC not on mobile; you have to deal with mobile devices as well. That's different.
On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 4:31:53 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote: > > Hi Ton > > We do have several full blown toolbars (Edit, Editor, Page and View > toolbar) with complete configuration options via Contropl Panel > > Appearance > Toolbars. > > Top Left bar and Top Right Bar did not have these complete configuration > options and I expexted they would be added at a certain time but that was > not true. > > > They don’t get widely used, perhaps because of the lack of responsiveness. > > OK > Already in the alpha phase of TW5 I experimented with a top toolbar. One > of the reasons was to get most the functionality of the sidebar in the top > toolbar. > > In time it became a full blown toolbar with buttons and dropdown lists > that mimic the sidebar functionality and with the same configuration > options of the other toolbars see Top_toolbar.png below and /or > http://tw5toolbar.tiddlyspot.com/ > > The new Menu bar misses these configuration options; you can add buttons > tagged with $:/tags/TopLeftbar and/or $:/tags/TopRightbar and that's it; > there is no possibility to switch them on/off or reorder them. > So the question is: Why not creating a toolbar based on Top Left Bar / Top > Right Bar and the existing structure? Then I can dump my own Top toolbar > and concentrate on special buttons ;-) > > > If we’d extended either one to be a full width menu bar then we’d have run > into the same problem: it would clash with the other one, and we’d need a > strategy to deal with that along the lines of what we do here. > > I also wanted to make it easier for end users to create dropdown menu > items than it is currently is to create a toolbar button with a dropdown. > Yes I see, a simple flexible menu bar for desktop and mobile. > > See attached No_sidebar_button.png > > On your screenshot the chevron is visible next to the search bar. On my > image no chevron is visible (I made a screen shot of the whole menu bar in > case you changed the aligning). I tried with Linux Mint 19.3 + Firefox and > Chrome. Even an iPad did not show the chevron. > > > Ah, OK, I can duplicate it on iPad and Safari, and will look into it. > No idea what's happening; nobody else did complain so I think the chevron can be seen with Windows //MaOS /Firefox / Chrome but not with Linux Mint / Firefox ?chrom and iPad. Very strange. I am curious what is happening. > > * I do miss the added buttons in the Menu Bar Configuration (like in the 4 >> toolbar configuration tiddlers) >> >> Which buttons are you referring to? Perhaps again it might be clearer to >> show a screenshot? There is a new “Menu Bar” tab under >> Basics/Appearance/Toolbars in Control Panel. >> >> I mean the configuration buttons available via Contrl Panel > Appearanmce > Toolbars see Top_toolbar.png > > > Do you mean you’d like to see all the page control buttons available as > menu bar items? > For a simple menu bar only a few buttons are of importance I think. E.g. Home, New tiddler, Save, Control Panel, ... For experienced TW fans no problem to add them by adding $:/tags/TopLeftBar / $:/tags/TopRightBar but how do newbies it when they can't select buttons the way is done for the other toolbars? Or may be add a few default buttons? > > ** Like I missed these for Left and Right Top Bar >> >> >> Do you mean that you’d like a UI for enabling and reordering the content >> of those bars? >> >> Yes, as I wrote above. > > > That might be a good PR for someone? > You wrote: "They don’t get widely used" so who is interested? I made my own configuration panel and documented it. > In case of my plugins (Top toolbar, Top menu, Tiddlersbar and combinations > of these plugins, see e.g http://tongerner.tiddlyspot.com/ Control Panel > > Appearance > Plugin tweaks > Layout tweaks) I made a setting for the Top > position of the sticky title. In your case with a dynamic height there must > be a smarter solution. > > > I don’t think the situations are all that different: if the content of > your topbar wraps to two lines when the screen gets narrow then you’ll also > have a dynamic height for the top bar. > The content of my topbar does not wrap. So if you decrease the window width, my toolbar buttons fall off the screen ;-) But the Top Right Bar buttons overlap my Top Left Bar buttons, but that's another problem. As I wrote I only use a desktop PC where the problem does not exist (and there is a more button). Cheers, Ton > Best wishes > > Jeremy. > > > Cheers, > > Ton > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/bf913fed-a76b-4f88-ba4b-e1a3ee87de88%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/bf913fed-a76b-4f88-ba4b-e1a3ee87de88%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > <Top_toolbar.png><No_sidebar_button.png> > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/6b41f9af-993d-40f4-a4e1-d635cc43f781%40googlegroups.com.
