Just so that I can understand better what we have learnt here, the rendering of a tiddler (with its toolbar and both view & edit mode) is limited by the core to the tiddler display area only? Meaning it cannot be displayed in its *live* form anywhere in header, sidebars or a specially created div?
On Jan 5, 12:32 pm, David <[email protected]> wrote: > Mans ... thank you for those really great resourses. I was > particularly interested in the Unamesa Academy. I'll be back for a > closer look at that one very soon (my field of study is adult > education). > > Also thanks to pointing me to some resources I hadn't seen before on > Eric's site. I'll need to look a little closer at newNote. I have > played with moveable, and want to keep experimenting with it. The > floating tiddlers are really amazing, and may be useful for me. > > You know, I think I found TW about a month ago, and I already have 20 > or 30 experimental tiddlers running in different folders to test > different features. So far I think TW is about the easiest way I've > found to collect and seach for freeform data. It's so amazingly > customizable (but for me that's a downfall because I get too involved > in tinkering!). And as is often comment on in this forum, the > communiity is active, friendly, and very very helpful. > > Thanks, Mans! > > David > > On Jan 2, 4:36 pm, Måns <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi David > > What you are trying to accomplish sounds very nice and usefull > > indeed... > > Eric (TiddlyTools) has made a nice newsapplet for TiddlyTools updates > > and in the UnaMesa > > applicationformhttp://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://academy.unamesa.org/Applicati... > > he added a button to different tiddlers: the "apply now" button, which > > seems to overflow the boundaries of a normal tiddler.. I recon you > > could use it as a template for all sorts of buttons... > > > I've made my own version of Erics quicknotes transclusion and put it > > permanently inside the right sidebar > > here:http://notestormproject.tiddlyspot.com/#NewNote > > (You'll have to click edit online to see the "newNote" button - and > > insert a username to edit) > > > I'm sure it's possible to tweak the quicknotes transclusion to always > > edit the same tiddler and put the transclusion anywhere - as I did in > > a nested slider or as a popup (maybe using Eric's ShowPopup > > transclusion) or whatever. > > Next challenge would be to find a place to wikify it's content - again > > it could be a slide, a popup or even a moveable panel, which you could > > place anywhere you like (needs Eric's moveablePanelPlugin + > > panelmanager). > > > Eric (TiddlyTools) has made a "quickstartdocument" basics.html, which > > has some nicely placed div elements - his storymenu and the goto- > > searchbox are both well documented in the pagetemplate and in the > > StyleSheet. - please > > investigate:http://tiddlytools.com/quickstart/basics.html > > > If you want complete control of where every element on the page - try > > out his moveable.html - it's really > > great!!http://tiddlytools.com/quickstart/moveable.html > > > regards Måns Mårtensson > > > On 3 Jan., 05:56, David <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi Mario > > > > Thank you so much for your very detailed explanation. Ask a lot of > > > questions, and you get a lot of answers! :-) You do a wonderful job > > > with explaining things very clearly, as I also see by the > > > documentation in your a-pm sites. I've visited there before and am > > > interested in looking further at using TW as a presentation tool. > > > > Let me see if I can be just a little bit more explicit about my > > > "tiddler in a div". I think I have a good grasp of the PageLayout and > > > ViewTemplate and the StyleSheetLayout in TW. I also can use > > > transclusion (it's a lot of fun!) to bring content from one tiddler > > > into another. So far so good. > > > > Now here's the scenario: Suppose I want a fixed box to appear > > > somewhere on the page to display news, announcements, an image, or > > > whatever content it may be (could be anything, really). I can create > > > the box by adding a div to the PageLayout in the appropriate place, > > > and style and position it with CSS in the StyleSheet. I can transclude > > > the content of SomeTiddler into that box using something like: > > > > <div id="someDiv" macro="tiddler someTiddler"></div> > > > > Of course what I get with that is only the *content portion* of the > > > transcluded tiddler. I do not get the toolbar, the title, the > > > dateline, or the tag elements. What I am hoping to do is to display a > > > complete, normal-looking tiddler with all of its parts in a div > > > somewhere else on the page other than the normal "story" (is that the > > > right word?). If I can't get all of the elements, I would at least > > > like to be able to display the title of the tiddler within the div > > > along with the tiddler contents. The closest I have gotten is to put > > > this in the someTiddler content: > > > > {{title{This will look like the title}}} /% Temporary title hack %/ > > > This is the normal content of the tiddler. blah blah blah > > > > Using transclusion in the div shown above, this displays a tiddler > > > title and tiddler content, but the title is not actually the real > > > title of the tiddler, just whatever title is typed in to the first > > > line. Of course there may be situations where this is useful, but I'd > > > still like to know how to pull the actual title of the tiddler into > > > the div. > > > > By the way, editing the contents within the div is not necessary, > > > since someTiddler can be opened and edited easily in the normal story. > > > I'm just trying to get the display of someTiddler and all of its > > > elements to appear in the div. > > > > Hopefully this is a little better focused than my first posting. > > > Thanks for all your help! > > > > David > > > > On Jan 2, 2:02 pm, PMario <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi David, > > > > > The PageTemplate defines the overall structure of the page. > > > > *PageTemplate:displayArea:tiddlerDisplay .. is responsible for the > > > > tiddler stuff > > > > > The tiddler display is defined in the ViewTemplate > > > > *ViewTemplate: > > > > toolbar .. defines the tiddler toolbar with edit, close ... > > > > title .. defines the tiddler title > > > > subtitle .. modifier, date ... > > > > ... > > > > viewer .. "macro='view text wikified' renders the tiddler content > > > > > The style definitions are in StyleSheetLayout which is a "protected / > > > > shadow" tiddler which defines the default values > > > > If you want to make changes, use StyleSheet to define your values. > > > > > On Jan 2, 1:33 am, David <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I've dug through these posts but I'm still not clear on this. I want > > > > > to put a div somewhere on my PageTemplate and have one single tiddler > > > > > appear in that div. I can get the contents of the tiddler to do so, > > > > > but I can't seem to get the other elements (such as the title and the > > > > > date line) to appear also. > > > > > As I mentioned above, if you want to have titel, modifieer, date .. it > > > > needs title, subtitel div also. > > > > > >I've seen bits here and there about the > > > > > with: params, but I'm still not clear on the syntax. Editing is not > > > > > necessary in the div element, just rendering the tiddler and all of > > > > > its parts as it would appear in the main story. > > > > > I think it need a new / extended viewTemplate > > > > > > Also, I'm not clear on whether there is any difference between > > > > > <div id="someDiv" macro="tiddler someTiddler"></div> > > > > > macro= "anyMacro anyMacroParameter" .. will execute the anyMacro with > > > > its anyMacroParameters, if the content is rendered by the core. > > > > > > or > > > > > <div id="someDiv" tiddler="someTiddler"></div> > > > > > eg: <div id='mainMenu' refresh='content' tiddler='MainMenu'></div> > > > > if the tiddler='MainMenu' is changed/edited the div id='mainMenu' will > > > > be refreshed automatically by the core. > > > > > > And at the risk of asking too many questions at once, the standard > > > > > layout in PageTemplate uses several divs that do not have an obvious > > > > > function on their own, such as #mainMenu, #sidebar and #displayArea. > > > > > the div ids are used by the core. the default style is defined in > > > > StyleSheetLayout. If you want to change it use StyleSheet which > > > > overwrites StyleSheetLayout. > > > > > > Are these just wrappers used for positioning their containing > > > > > elements, or does the core code or plugins expect them to be there for > > > > > a specific purpose? > > > > > you can remove most of them in PageTemplate if you want. But I would > > > > suggest to hide them if you don't need them. Because in the future you > > > > may want them back :) There are a lot of plugins/transclusions [1] > > > > which can be used. > > > > > > Thanks for giving up part of your holiday to help me with this. Happy > > > > > New Year! > > > > > A Happy New Year > > > > > I made a step by step howTo which deals with plugins and some aspects > > > > of the TW layout. May be it can answere some questions. [2-4] > > > > > AND: If you tell us a little more details about your "permanent" > > > > tiddler. What it should do, or display and where it should appear, may > > > > be, there is already a solution. > > > > > regards Mario > > > > [1]http://a-pm.tiddlyspot.com... see the top menue > > > > > see:http://www.tiddlytools.com.. search for "transclusion" > > > > > [2]http://a-pm-part1.tiddlyspot.com... start of a 3 part howto > > > > [3]http://a-pm-part2.tiddlyspot.com... inserting some additional > > > > plugis + StyleSheet + Template > > > > [4]http://a-pm-part3.tiddlyspot.com... 3rd part of the howto
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