Hi Shavinder To the best that I have been able to determine so far, that is basically correct. Others with more experience with TW may know differently. Right now as far as I can tell there are two things you can do. You can render the _content_ of the tiddler pretty much anywhere you can you can type in a link. Transclusion is cool! The other thing you can do is modify a tiddler's position through CSS using the tiddler's ID (#tiddlerTiddlerName) and applying CSS positioning to move the display of that tiddler to another (absolute or relative) position on the page. So far that is the only way I have found to hook into a tiddler and get the whole enchilada.
I'm really hoping that I'm wrong and the smart and experienced folks in this forum will give me some clues on other ways to approach it. There are probably some javascript hooks that I just don't know about. So don't take this as gospel just yet until some more of the pros check in on the topic. David On Jan 5, 8:35 pm, shavinder <[email protected]> wrote: > Just so that I can understand better what we have learnt here, the > rendering of a tiddler (with its toolbar and both view & edit mode) is > limited by the core to the tiddler display area only? Meaning it > cannot be displayed in its *live* form anywhere in header, sidebars or > a specially created div? > > On Jan 5, 12:32 pm, David <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Mans ... thank you for those really great resourses. I was > > particularly interested in the Unamesa Academy. I'll be back for a > > closer look at that one very soon (my field of study is adult > > education). > > > Also thanks to pointing me to some resources I hadn't seen before on > > Eric's site. I'll need to look a little closer at newNote. I have > > played with moveable, and want to keep experimenting with it. The > > floating tiddlers are really amazing, and may be useful for me. > > > You know, I think I found TW about a month ago, and I already have 20 > > or 30 experimental tiddlers running in different folders to test > > different features. So far I think TW is about the easiest way I've > > found to collect and seach for freeform data. It's so amazingly > > customizable (but for me that's a downfall because I get too involved > > in tinkering!). And as is often comment on in this forum, the > > communiity is active, friendly, and very very helpful. > > > Thanks, Mans! > > > David > > > On Jan 2, 4:36 pm, Måns <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi David > > > What you are trying to accomplish sounds very nice and usefull > > > indeed... > > > Eric (TiddlyTools) has made a nice newsapplet for TiddlyTools updates > > > and in the UnaMesa > > > applicationformhttp://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://academy.unamesa.org/Applicati... > > > he added a button to different tiddlers: the "apply now" button, which > > > seems to overflow the boundaries of a normal tiddler.. I recon you > > > could use it as a template for all sorts of buttons... > > > > I've made my own version of Erics quicknotes transclusion and put it > > > permanently inside the right sidebar > > > here:http://notestormproject.tiddlyspot.com/#NewNote > > > (You'll have to click edit online to see the "newNote" button - and > > > insert a username to edit) > > > > I'm sure it's possible to tweak the quicknotes transclusion to always > > > edit the same tiddler and put the transclusion anywhere - as I did in > > > a nested slider or as a popup (maybe using Eric's ShowPopup > > > transclusion) or whatever. > > > Next challenge would be to find a place to wikify it's content - again > > > it could be a slide, a popup or even a moveable panel, which you could > > > place anywhere you like (needs Eric's moveablePanelPlugin + > > > panelmanager). > > > > Eric (TiddlyTools) has made a "quickstartdocument" basics.html, which > > > has some nicely placed div elements - his storymenu and the goto- > > > searchbox are both well documented in the pagetemplate and in the > > > StyleSheet. - please > > > investigate:http://tiddlytools.com/quickstart/basics.html > > > > If you want complete control of where every element on the page - try > > > out his moveable.html - it's really > > > great!!http://tiddlytools.com/quickstart/moveable.html > > > > regards Måns Mårtensson > > > > On 3 Jan., 05:56, David <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Mario > > > > > Thank you so much for your very detailed explanation. Ask a lot of > > > > questions, and you get a lot of answers! :-) You do a wonderful job > > > > with explaining things very clearly, as I also see by the > > > > documentation in your a-pm sites. I've visited there before and am > > > > interested in looking further at using TW as a presentation tool. > > > > > Let me see if I can be just a little bit more explicit about my > > > > "tiddler in a div". I think I have a good grasp of the PageLayout and > > > > ViewTemplate and the StyleSheetLayout in TW. I also can use > > > > transclusion (it's a lot of fun!) to bring content from one tiddler > > > > into another. So far so good. > > > > > Now here's the scenario: Suppose I want a fixed box to appear > > > > somewhere on the page to display news, announcements, an image, or > > > > whatever content it may be (could be anything, really). I can create > > > > the box by adding a div to the PageLayout in the appropriate place, > > > > and style and position it with CSS in the StyleSheet. I can transclude > > > > the content of SomeTiddler into that box using something like: > > > > > <div id="someDiv" macro="tiddler someTiddler"></div> > > > > > Of course what I get with that is only the *content portion* of the > > > > transcluded tiddler. I do not get the toolbar, the title, the > > > > dateline, or the tag elements. What I am hoping to do is to display a > > > > complete, normal-looking tiddler with all of its parts in a div > > > > somewhere else on the page other than the normal "story" (is that the > > > > right word?). If I can't get all of the elements, I would at least > > > > like to be able to display the title of the tiddler within the div > > > > along with the tiddler contents. The closest I have gotten is to put > > > > this in the someTiddler content: > > > > > {{title{This will look like the title}}} /% Temporary title hack %/ > > > > This is the normal content of the tiddler. blah blah blah > > > > > Using transclusion in the div shown above, this displays a tiddler > > > > title and tiddler content, but the title is not actually the real > > > > title of the tiddler, just whatever title is typed in to the first > > > > line. Of course there may be situations where this is useful, but I'd > > > > still like to know how to pull the actual title of the tiddler into > > > > the div. > > > > > By the way, editing the contents within the div is not necessary, > > > > since someTiddler can be opened and edited easily in the normal story. > > > > I'm just trying to get the display of someTiddler and all of its > > > > elements to appear in the div. > > > > > Hopefully this is a little better focused than my first posting. > > > > Thanks for all your help! > > > > > David > > > > > On Jan 2, 2:02 pm, PMario <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hi David, > > > > > > The PageTemplate defines the overall structure of the page. > > > > > *PageTemplate:displayArea:tiddlerDisplay .. is responsible for the > > > > > tiddler stuff > > > > > > The tiddler display is defined in the ViewTemplate > > > > > *ViewTemplate: > > > > > toolbar .. defines the tiddler toolbar with edit, close ... > > > > > title .. defines the tiddler title > > > > > subtitle .. modifier, date ... > > > > > ... > > > > > viewer .. "macro='view text wikified' renders the tiddler content > > > > > > The style definitions are in StyleSheetLayout which is a "protected / > > > > > shadow" tiddler which defines the default values > > > > > If you want to make changes, use StyleSheet to define your values. > > > > > > On Jan 2, 1:33 am, David <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I've dug through these posts but I'm still not clear on this. I want > > > > > > to put a div somewhere on my PageTemplate and have one single > > > > > > tiddler > > > > > > appear in that div. I can get the contents of the tiddler to do so, > > > > > > but I can't seem to get the other elements (such as the title and > > > > > > the > > > > > > date line) to appear also. > > > > > > As I mentioned above, if you want to have titel, modifieer, date .. it > > > > > needs title, subtitel div also. > > > > > > >I've seen bits here and there about the > > > > > > with: params, but I'm still not clear on the syntax. Editing is not > > > > > > necessary in the div element, just rendering the tiddler and all of > > > > > > its parts as it would appear in the main story. > > > > > > I think it need a new / extended viewTemplate > > > > > > > Also, I'm not clear on whether there is any difference between > > > > > > <div id="someDiv" macro="tiddler someTiddler"></div> > > > > > > macro= "anyMacro anyMacroParameter" .. will execute the anyMacro with > > > > > its anyMacroParameters, if the content is rendered by the core. > > > > > > > or > > > > > > <div id="someDiv" tiddler="someTiddler"></div> > > > > > > eg: <div id='mainMenu' refresh='content' tiddler='MainMenu'></div> > > > > > if the tiddler='MainMenu' is changed/edited the div id='mainMenu' will > > > > > be refreshed automatically by the core. > > > > > > > And at the risk of asking too many questions at once, the standard > > > > > > layout in PageTemplate uses several divs that do not have an obvious > > > > > > function on their own, such as #mainMenu, #sidebar and #displayArea. > > > > > > the div ids are used by the core. the default style is defined in > > > > > StyleSheetLayout. If you want to change it use StyleSheet which > > > > > overwrites StyleSheetLayout. > > > > > > > Are these just wrappers used for positioning their containing > > > > > > elements, or does the core code or plugins expect them to be there > > > > > > for > > > > > > a specific purpose? > > > > > > you can remove most of them in PageTemplate if you want. But I would > > > > > suggest to hide them if you don't need them. Because in the future you > > > > > may want them back :) There are a lot of plugins/transclusions [1] > > > > > which can be used. > > > > > > > Thanks for giving up part of your holiday to help me with this. > > > > > > Happy > > > > > > New Year! > > > > > > A Happy New Year > > > > > > I made a step by step howTo which deals with plugins and some aspects > > > > > of the TW layout. May be it can answere some questions. [2-4] > > > > > > AND: If you tell us a little more details about your "permanent" > > > > > tiddler. What it should do, or display and where it should appear, may > > > > > be, there is already a solution. > > > > > > regards Mario > > > > > [1]http://a-pm.tiddlyspot.com... see the top menue > > > > > > see:http://www.tiddlytools.com.. search for "transclusion" > > > > > > [2]http://a-pm-part1.tiddlyspot.com... start of a 3 part howto > > > > > [3]http://a-pm-part2.tiddlyspot.com... inserting some additional > > > > > plugis + StyleSheet + Template > > > > > [4]http://a-pm-part3.tiddlyspot.com... 3rd part of the howto
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