Thanks Tony. I really do appreciate your insight. I will be the first to admit that I have a lot to learn.
I actually started this little project using a separate field for mother and father, but I switched to tags because it was easier to make it work with Tidgraph. I couldn’t quite figure out how to make it use only those two fields and not the others (birth, death, etc.) I did make it work with a parents field with the mother and father separated by a “;” bit I really didn’t like that for obvious reasons. Tidgraph worked well with the two tags because I could specify mode=“tags[]” and all was well since they were the only tags I intended to use. Using fields[] instead would have listed all fields and stopped there. Tidgraph is the easiest way to generate a pedigree chart. Once I got that, then I went to work on the “children of” list. Since I already went down the tag path, I stuck with it. Generating a descendant list was easy with the toc macros, but they couldn’t include the spouses so I rolled my own. I will not claim it is the best approach. Just easiest at the time and it served my purpose. I wasn’t looking to replace my genealogy program; just provide a quick snapshot for reference. Having said all of that, I’m definitely open to ideas and look forward to seeing your ideas and TT’s as well. Now a question. If I were to go back to mother and father fields, how could I get similar looking results for both pedigree and children? That’s where I got stuck in the first place. Damon On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 7:29 PM TW Tones <[email protected]> wrote: > Damon, > > The reason I suggested against tags is you then have to differentiate > between tags. On the surface there is no immediate difference between a > mother or father-name tag. This can be solved, but if a person had a mother > and father field, it would be unambiguous. With TOCP you can use other > fields. What if you wanted to add a clan tag?, this would also need > checking. > > However genealogy can get seriously complex, Lets see if TT/Josiah takes > the bait and shares some of his resources so far. > > I do intend to provide the tools one day for a full and sophisticated > genealogical tree, consider step children, second spouse, birth date and > multiple marriages and death. What is the implication of twins and and > multiple birth?, well in my family tree it allowed us to to identify a > whole tree of relatives even although the father was unknown. Multiple > births are an example of proven FULL siblings. > > However it will take some time, because I am collecting the mechanisms to > make it highly extensible and support other networks and hierarchies as > well. > > Needless to say it will use tocp, Kin, and recursion and possible GenTags. > > Regards > Tony > > > On Monday, June 29, 2020 at 10:48:04 AM UTC+10, Damon Pritchett wrote: >> >> Hey Tony, >> >> I have done quite a bit of searching and, at least so far, I have found >> no solutions to the problem I was trying to address, just comments on how >> difficult the problem is when there are bi-lineal relationships. >> >> I may not have put enough explanation in my initial post. What I might >> not be making clear (see "children of" picture) is that Person 1 is, say, >> the father and Persons 2 & 3 are the mothers. Persons 4 and 5 have the same >> "father," but not the same mother. That's why I have the word "with" before >> the names. >> >> I played with Kin filter to replicate what I had and couldn't quite get >> there. I came close, but couldn't get past the "flatness" of the lists >> generated by the kin filter Maybe I gave up too soon, but since I had a >> solution that worked, I didn't want to spend any further time on it. >> >> I've used the TOCP plugin a lot in my wikis and love it. At this point, I >> don't see the problem changing whether I use fields or tags, but I could be >> wrong. I used tags for this because of the operators tags and tagging which >> made things relatively easy. >> >> Damon >> >> >> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 5:02:02 PM UTC-7, TW Tones wrote: >>> >>> Damon, >>> >>> One way to use the kin filter is to use one kin filter and add or >>> subtract the titles from another kin filter. so you could subtract your >>> family (your parents below) from that below your grandparents family the >>> result will be you aunts uncles cousins etc.. >>> >>> If using tags to indicate parentage you have to check the the parent to >>> determine if they are father or mother, to to make sure the tags is not for >>> something else. I suggest moving relationships into fields not tags (If you >>> had not already). >>> >>> Also the TOCP plugin or a variation along with the kin filter operating >>> on fields rather than tags is possibly the way to go building a >>> genealogical tree. Do Search the forum, TT and others have done a lot of >>> genealogical work with Tiddlywiki. >>> >>> You will find in the forums recursive toc and macros discussed a few >>> times that could help you build a full system that iterates trees. >>> >>> Regards >>> Tony >>> >>> On Monday, June 29, 2020 at 6:14:02 AM UTC+10, Damon Pritchett wrote: >>>> >>>> I've played around with the kin filter today and it is a fine >>>> replacement for part of what I wrote. However, (see the Person 1 picture >>>> for reference) to show the children of Person one along with the >>>> spouse/partner who was the other parent of the given child, takes the >>>> additional steps that I took in my code. The Kin filter cannot do this by >>>> itself. The Kin filter will list all of the descendants for Person 1, but >>>> that list is a flat list and has no hierarchy to it and will not list the >>>> spouses because they are not direct descendants (at least, I haven't been >>>> able to figure out how to do it). >>>> >>>> Damon >>>> >>>> >>>> On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 9:47:48 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Saq, >>>>> >>>>> I have used it before and it just never occurred to me to use it in >>>>> this aspect. Thanks for the reminder. I will look into that tomorrow. What >>>>> I did was a great learning experience for me but kin filter will likely >>>>> work better. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/tiddlywiki/ckbmFxV4gRk/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/c8fdd6bd-972a-46d3-bcd8-0cbd3f429e21o%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/c8fdd6bd-972a-46d3-bcd8-0cbd3f429e21o%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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