Charlie,
I saw in some of your code the use of tiddler named "Contents (Urban Off
Gridding)"
- First - I have a shack in the Australian bush that's off grid,
sustainability is one of my interests.
- A Quick test revealed (tiddlernames) seem quite secure in filters and
other places like transclusions.
I am just mentioning this because it has led me to a solution I have being
looking for. Simple one word system tiddlers.
Let me explain, although don't worry if you don't follow, I just wanted to
thank you for inspiring me.
- If you want to transclude a "system tiddler" that does not otherwise
appear in searches it must have the prefix $:/ and then it must be in
keeping with existing naming.
- If you want to include system tiddlers css, templates etc the need to
have this prefix and just don't look so good
- For example I I has a function "greatFunction" you would need to
reference it as {{$:/myfunctions/greatFunction}} or
{$:/myfunctions/greatFunction} in filters
- That is the simple names are no longer available to use.
The thought you gave me is
- I could name a tiddler like this (greatFunction)
- Exclude titles beginning and ending in () from the standard search
(Thus they are somewhat hidden from the user)
- Then you could reference it as {{(greatFunction)}} or
{(greatFunction)} in filters etc...
- It is also then easy to name objects that are more readable
{{(task-template)}} that are like system tiddlers.
- Note: this would not impact your use "Contents (Urban Off Gridding)"
because it does not begin and end ( )
Conclusion
- Cleaner code
- Easier to help users select from a list of optional views or templates
- Easier as designer
- More real language like.
- A whole new names space
Regards
Tones
On Monday, 14 September 2020 09:23:18 UTC+10, Charlie Veniot wrote:
>
> G'day Felicia,
>
> Sure, I'd love to see how you'd go about it.
>
> Since there are always multiple ways of doing things, if you have the
> time: quick thoughts on advantages/disadvantages of both for a quick back
> and forth about them? Might be a pretty short back and forth: I don't have
> enough know-how to pickout the "pitfalls" (or "trappings") of various
> approaches?
>
> That aside: I'm kind of proud to have figured out a little something about
> filters in my last post
> <https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/ItNqeGWYX7Q>.
>
> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 6:03:04 PM UTC-3, Felicia Crow wrote:
>>
>> Hi Charlie,
>>
>> yes that was what I meant. I always find it interesting to learn the
>> thought process behind someones solution, since it often gives a different
>> perspective on things that I would not have considered before, leads to
>> learning something new or both. So when I saw a solution I would not have
>> thought of myself I was curious how this came to be.
>>
>> I sadly don't have any real tips for learning filters as it is one of the
>> things my brain was actually willing to learn at least the basics quite
>> quickly, but if you want I could write up the solution I had in mind so
>> that you can play around with it, if this would be something that interests
>> you/could help you.
>>
>> And to add something useful to the babbling at the top: A short excursion
>> about the difference between non-javascript and javascript macros at least
>> as far as I learned it - definitely not an expert.
>>
>>
>> - Javascript macros are loaded in with everything else javascript
>> before any processing happens as this is so to speak the engine on which
>> everything runs, so yes a javascript macro is already loaded in when the
>> startup actions are run.
>> - Non-javascript macros one the other hand exist at first only within
>> the tiddler they where defined in. So for example if you have a tiddler
>> containing the definition for a macro called get-context you would only
>> be
>> able to use this macro in the same tiddler. This is where then the import
>> pragma and tag $:/tags/Macro come in. Import is used as you have done to
>> allow use of a specific macro in the tiddler it was imported to. The tag
>> $:/tags/Macro on the other hand allows you to mark the macro as global so
>> that you can use it where ever you want without having to specifically
>> import it each time. This is were the exception you reference comes in.
>> Since the startup actions run before the tagged macros are processed to
>> make them globally available you need to import non-javascript macros
>> even
>> if they are properly tagged.
>>
>>
>> Hope you can take away at least something from this and it wasn't too
>> confusing.
>>
>> Happy Sunday for you as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 13 September 2020 20:47:35 UTC+2, Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>>
>>> G'day Felicia,
>>>
>>> Hi Charlie,
>>>>
>>>> love the concept and very impressiv what you managed to put together,
>>>> thank you for sharing.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thank-you! Of course, let's keep in mind that, in martial arts terms,
>>> I'm not quite a TiddlyWiki yellow belt yet, so I'm sure there are many
>>> things that could be improved !
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you don't mind asking, is there a specific reason for placing the
>>>> decision for what to transclude in the two templates themselves and always
>>>> calling both of them?
>>>> Personally I would have put the decision in the root tiddler - e.g.
>>>> TiddlyWiki Title - via a match filter and only called what was needed, so
>>>> I
>>>> wonder if there is something I am missing/not thinking about or if it is
>>>> just another case of multiple ways to achieve the same result.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I suspect that you are talking about this way of deciding what to show
>>> based on context: {{TiddlyWiki Title 1||tPr}}{{TiddlyWiki Title 2||tOg}}
>>>
>>> I chose that way of doing things because I'm having a hard time wrapping
>>> my mind around filters, but I think I've got transclusion templates down
>>> pat.
>>>
>>> So I saw that mechanism as a quick (and non-cryptic) and easily
>>> repeatable method across the board, for example:
>>>
>>> - the "content" tiddler (included in my "navigation" tiddler that
>>> shows in the sidebar) has {{Contents (Product Reviews)||tPr}}{{Contents
>>> (Urban Off Gridding)||tOg}} to show different navigation links depending
>>> on
>>> context
>>> - I may want to show other tiddlers different ways depending on
>>> context ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Oh and one thing I noticed, just as an info: Since getstartupcontext is
>>>> a javascript macro you don't actually need to import it. Unlike normal
>>>> macros javascript macros are always global.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe I misunderstood something when I put that import there. I thought
>>> that "StartupAction" tiddlers, because they are processed so early, didn't
>>> have access to any macros unless they are imported. Does that just apply
>>> to non-javascript macros ?
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>> Felicia
>>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers, best regards, and Happy Sunday !
>>>
>>>
>>
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