Hi Charlie, wordy is great if it is this informative.
Honestly I thought about your product tiddlers when asking about templates because I wondered if it would be faster to have a template tiddler containing a certain set of fields already and just creating new product tiddlers from there with the fields only having to be filled out instead of creating everything anew each time you add a new product, but I can see how this would not have that much benefit in your case depending on how many standard fields you have in your product tiddler. I think where I get far more benefits from template tiddlers and the main reason I use them is that I have many fields in my wiki that my various macros need, but that can be either already filled out in the template itself or when creating a tiddler from the template. But then my wiki is intended to eventually become a template in itself to be able to copy it and collect my various world building/writing ideas into wikis depending on world instead of scattered throughout the dozens of physical notebooks, files and formats they are currently in so I think already the use case dictates a different approach in this case. As for the changing all the tiddlers when the template changes I wonder if something could be done to update the tiddlers created from the template when the template changes, but then it is the question what changes and how things can be combined. So at most probably a add/delete field for every tiddler created with this template and then either only if the change is universal or showing a list of which tiddlers to update. And another idea for the pile... Hope you have a good day! Felicia On Thursday, 15 October 2020 16:50:10 UTC+2, Charlie Veniot wrote: > > G'day Felicia, > > In all of the various TiddlyWiki instances I've created, I've only done > something akin to cloning with "Medication Journey" journals in my ADHD > Slice'n Dice > <https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/CJ_AdhdSliceAndDice.html> > TiddlyWiki. > > I am a tweaker by nature, always incrementally > iterating/adjusting/tweaking/refining/etc. etc. as a slowly get things just > right (matching whatever intertwingled mess of a puzzle picture in my head.) > > The problem I have with creating a bunch of tiddlers as clones of a > tiddler template: when I want to make an adjustment (and I will > undoubtedly make umpteen adjustments to anything as everything becomes less > muddied), I have to then go to every tiddler created from whatever template > and adjust each one accordingly. That's a huge pain in the caboose. > > Eventually, I may create some buttons for tiddler creation as copies of > template tiddlers in my Product Reviews > <https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/CJ_ProductReviews.html> > TiddlyWiki, but there has to be some significant benefit. At the moment, > I'm not seeing any. > > My approach to writing and organizing content is to get something down as > quick as possible that is good enough (a process of progressive > elicitation?), and then slowly/incrementally/iteratively adjust as > needs/requirements ( information-bits / structures, the pictures) dictate > (become clear.) The plan/direction unfolds as I see the bits written down > and structured. Never "big requirements/plans up front". That's the > beauty of any Wiki: it allows agility and even massive change to anything > can be done quickly. (Unlike dealing with a bunch of separate > files/documents in some hierarchy of folders.) > > Very organic to fit my granola personality. > > Oops. I got wordy. Hard thing to fix ... > > Cheers ! > > On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 11:19:59 AM UTC-3, Felicia Crow wrote: >> >> Hi Charlie, >> >> somewhat off-topic, but your answer to Atro led me to a question >> regarding another kind of template. Seeing how streamlined your wiki is, >> but having not seen anything in this direction: Have you thought about >> using templates to create certain tiddlers, either by cloning the template >> or using a button? >> >> Kind Regards, >> Felicia >> >> >> >> On Thursday, 15 October 2020 15:33:54 UTC+2, Charlie Veniot wrote: >>> >>> Hello Atro, >>> >>> Those are excellent questions. Without having pondered deeply about it, >>> here is my immediate blathering of thoughts: >>> >>> I generally much prefer transclusion wherever I can use that instead of >>> a macro. For the way this old sponge of mine works, transclusion often >>> makes more sense to me than a macro (maybe because I always think in a >>> transclusion way (with *everything*, TiddlyWiki or not.) I also get >>> annoyed with macro syntax for whatever reason (in the same way somebody >>> would prefer the colour green while somebody else the colour blue.) >>> >>> There are certain things that, to me, macro is hands down the way to >>> go. What these things are, I'm not sure. Maybe it is enough to say that >>> what can't be nicely done via transclusion, go with a macro. >>> >>> For example, all of the macros in my "Product Reviews" TiddlyWiki: >>> https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/CJ_ProductReviews.html#Macros >>> >>> Well, the "ListCategoryProducts" and "ShowProductThumbnail", I can see >>> me replacing those with transclusion template tiddlers. >>> >>> I am currently only half-way into my morning's first cup o' coffee, >>> still a bit in a sleepy fog. Re-reading the above: huh, not so shabby >>> despite not so bright-eyed and not so bushy-tailed ... >>> >>> Cheers ! >>> >>> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 2:38:26 AM UTC-3, Atronoush wrote: >>>> >>>> This is absolutely great! What do you think if one uses a macro instead >>>> of template? >>>> So instead of several templates you can have one tiddler with several >>>> macros? >>>> >>>> I am really interested to know the pros and cons of template / macro >>>> and when I should use a template instead of macro? >>>> >>>> --Atro >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/9d9d14ae-99be-46f7-b01d-c4081b4c516fo%40googlegroups.com.
