G'day Felicia, Happy Monday ! (May seem like an oxymoron, but who knows? Could be the best Monday ever ...)
I have a whole whack of metrics involved in my approach-taking decisions, usually a snap choice to avoid getting stuck in the mud and overthinking (me shoving sticks in my own wheels), and tweak as I go along when I reach some pain-in-the-caboose tipping point (or have some bright or plain old goofy idea I want to try). More often than not, I tend to get very irritated with "bloat" and duplication/redundancy, and I find myself doing whatever to shave away even just a few characters . A bit of a "take care of the pennies and the pounds will take care of themselves" ? Then again, if "the fun in it" way surpasses any kind of irritation, then I stick with the fun until no longer fun. Well, the fun quickly takes a nose-dive whenever I see an approach that is going to create an ugly mess down the road. Being a software developer and always considering the design of everything, I'm always thinking: make everything easy/quick to adapt / evolve / change (as per any new discovery or as per any mood strikes me). That's the beauty of any wiki product: when things are done a certain way: a wiki makes it really easy to completely reshuffle everything. Good luck me explaining "a certain way". Insta-thoughts: - Every tiddler is a first-class citizen - No tiddler exists in (or is bound to, or dependent on) any hierarchical (or other kind of) structure; any tiddler can, though, participate in an infinite number of relationships, and each relationship provides informative structure for some contextual meaning - Avoid, almost dogmatically, writing a "thing" more than once (write once, transclude everywhere else) All of that only half-way into my first morning cup of coffee. No matter time of day or levels of caffeine, always wordy ... On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 9:56:31 AM UTC-3, Felicia Crow wrote: > > Hi Charlie, > > wordy is great if it is this informative. > > Honestly I thought about your product tiddlers when asking about templates > because I wondered if it would be faster to have a template tiddler > containing a certain set of fields already and just creating new product > tiddlers from there with the fields only having to be filled out instead of > creating everything anew each time you add a new product, but I can see how > this would not have that much benefit in your case depending on how many > standard fields you have in your product tiddler. > > I think where I get far more benefits from template tiddlers and the main > reason I use them is that I have many fields in my wiki that my various > macros need, but that can be either already filled out in the template > itself or when creating a tiddler from the template. > But then my wiki is intended to eventually become a template in itself to > be able to copy it and collect my various world building/writing ideas into > wikis depending on world instead of scattered throughout the dozens of > physical notebooks, files and formats they are currently in so I think > already the use case dictates a different approach in this case. > > As for the changing all the tiddlers when the template changes I wonder if > something could be done to update the tiddlers created from the template > when the template changes, but then it is the question what changes and how > things can be combined. So at most probably a add/delete field for every > tiddler created with this template and then either only if the change is > universal or showing a list of which tiddlers to update. > And another idea for the pile... > > Hope you have a good day! > Felicia > > > On Thursday, 15 October 2020 16:50:10 UTC+2, Charlie Veniot wrote: >> >> G'day Felicia, >> >> In all of the various TiddlyWiki instances I've created, I've only done >> something akin to cloning with "Medication Journey" journals in my ADHD >> Slice'n Dice >> <https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/CJ_AdhdSliceAndDice.html> >> TiddlyWiki. >> >> I am a tweaker by nature, always incrementally >> iterating/adjusting/tweaking/refining/etc. etc. as a slowly get things just >> right (matching whatever intertwingled mess of a puzzle picture in my head.) >> >> The problem I have with creating a bunch of tiddlers as clones of a >> tiddler template: when I want to make an adjustment (and I will >> undoubtedly make umpteen adjustments to anything as everything becomes less >> muddied), I have to then go to every tiddler created from whatever template >> and adjust each one accordingly. That's a huge pain in the caboose. >> >> Eventually, I may create some buttons for tiddler creation as copies of >> template tiddlers in my Product Reviews >> <https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/CJ_ProductReviews.html> >> TiddlyWiki, but there has to be some significant benefit. At the moment, >> I'm not seeing any. >> >> My approach to writing and organizing content is to get something down as >> quick as possible that is good enough (a process of progressive >> elicitation?), and then slowly/incrementally/iteratively adjust as >> needs/requirements ( information-bits / structures, the pictures) dictate >> (become clear.) The plan/direction unfolds as I see the bits written down >> and structured. Never "big requirements/plans up front". That's the >> beauty of any Wiki: it allows agility and even massive change to anything >> can be done quickly. (Unlike dealing with a bunch of separate >> files/documents in some hierarchy of folders.) >> >> Very organic to fit my granola personality. >> >> Oops. I got wordy. Hard thing to fix ... >> >> Cheers ! >> >> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 11:19:59 AM UTC-3, Felicia Crow wrote: >>> >>> Hi Charlie, >>> >>> somewhat off-topic, but your answer to Atro led me to a question >>> regarding another kind of template. Seeing how streamlined your wiki is, >>> but having not seen anything in this direction: Have you thought about >>> using templates to create certain tiddlers, either by cloning the template >>> or using a button? >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> Felicia >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, 15 October 2020 15:33:54 UTC+2, Charlie Veniot wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Atro, >>>> >>>> Those are excellent questions. Without having pondered deeply about >>>> it, here is my immediate blathering of thoughts: >>>> >>>> I generally much prefer transclusion wherever I can use that instead of >>>> a macro. For the way this old sponge of mine works, transclusion often >>>> makes more sense to me than a macro (maybe because I always think in a >>>> transclusion way (with *everything*, TiddlyWiki or not.) I also get >>>> annoyed with macro syntax for whatever reason (in the same way somebody >>>> would prefer the colour green while somebody else the colour blue.) >>>> >>>> There are certain things that, to me, macro is hands down the way to >>>> go. What these things are, I'm not sure. Maybe it is enough to say that >>>> what can't be nicely done via transclusion, go with a macro. >>>> >>>> For example, all of the macros in my "Product Reviews" TiddlyWiki: >>>> https://intertwingularityslicendice.neocities.org/CJ_ProductReviews.html#Macros >>>> >>>> Well, the "ListCategoryProducts" and "ShowProductThumbnail", I can see >>>> me replacing those with transclusion template tiddlers. >>>> >>>> I am currently only half-way into my morning's first cup o' coffee, >>>> still a bit in a sleepy fog. Re-reading the above: huh, not so shabby >>>> despite not so bright-eyed and not so bushy-tailed ... >>>> >>>> Cheers ! >>>> >>>> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 2:38:26 AM UTC-3, Atronoush wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This is absolutely great! What do you think if one uses a macro >>>>> instead of template? >>>>> So instead of several templates you can have one tiddler with several >>>>> macros? >>>>> >>>>> I am really interested to know the pros and cons of template / macro >>>>> and when I should use a template instead of macro? >>>>> >>>>> --Atro >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/3795d22e-1963-4d7b-b6c2-f0c725587cb0o%40googlegroups.com.
