May be this is of use: http://skplugins.tiddlyspot.com/#Fancy%20Quotes
Cheers, Ton On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 1:40:10 AM UTC+1 Soren Bjornstad wrote: > Thanks everyone. I evidently wasn't clear enough on where I'm at and what > I was hoping for. > > I know how to insert real curly quote characters into TiddlyWiki using my > preferred input method (I'm on Linux actually, @springer), and I regularly > do this. However, as with any input method that I'm aware of, it requires > extra keypresses on top of straight quotes, which would be nice to avoid if > possible. All of my other editing environments, from word processors to > text editors to document preparation systems, support one of two ways of > allowing you to type straight quotes but display curly quotes: > > - automatically upgrading straight quotes when *typing* them > - automatically upgrading straight quotes when *rendering* them from > source, either during a compilation phase or when displaying the document > > The first solution probably isn't too practical for TiddlyWiki, since as > others have mentioned there is often need to type straight quotes. (In vim > I can press ^V " for a straight quote with curly-quotes on, but that's not > supported in CodeMirror.) > > smartquotes.js and similar tools work at render time, and they have no > difficulty avoiding accidentally curling quotation marks that are part of > code. They automatically skip anything within HTML tags, scripts, <pre> > blocks, and so on. They dynamically replace the quotation marks within the > DOM after the page loads, so that the real characters are there afterwards. > Another set of tools (used in tools like XeTeX, Sphinx, Jekyll, and some > Markdown renderers) replace at compile time (in TiddlyWiki, this would > presumably be during parsing). > > @Anjar, that's a pretty slick solution with ::before and ::after, but not > being able to copy the quotation marks is more annoying to me than having > to spend a bit longer typing them at the start. > > I think a solution that's better than what I'm currently doing needs to: > > - understand the semantic role of the quotation mark in the text so > that it knows not to replace quotes that are part of code; > - work completely automatically, converting " characters to the > appropriate curly versions when a tiddler or other wikitext is wikified > (if > it screws up occasionally, I can go back and put a raw quote that goes the > right direction in) > - actually place the new character within the DOM so that it copies > correctly. > > If we don't know of anything that exists and adding some feature that does > this to TiddlyWiki doesn't seem workable, that's a fine answer. It just > seems a little odd to me that TiddlyWiki is the only serious modern > document tool I use that doesn't use a library like this. > > On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 5:16:29 PM UTC-6 springer wrote: > >> Soren, I surmise you're on Windows… >> >> But if Mac-users find this thread: >> opt-[ gets you an opening curly-double-quote >> opt-shift-[ gets you a closing curly-double-quote >> (for single-quote variants, it's the same as above but with end-bracket: >> opt-] and opt-shift-] ) >> >> There are good reasons not to want tiddlywiki to replace automatically, >> at least for anyone who makes use of various quote-delimited parameters in >> macros, etc. For example, Shiraz's <<alert src:"Alert text here">> can work >> with complex text only when I can type something like: >> >> <<alert src:"Don‘t yell “Fire!” in a crowded theater!">> >> >> ;) -Springer >> >> On Sunday, December 6, 2020 at 9:01:51 PM UTC-5 Soren Bjornstad wrote: >> >>> I'm starting to get sick of using a four-button compose-key sequence to >>> get “curly quotes” in my tiddlers. Has anyone thought about or tried >>> integrating a library like smartquotes.js >>> <https://github.com/kellym/smartquotes.js> into TiddlyWiki to >>> automatically curl "straight quotes" in output? TiddlyWiki automatically >>> upgrades hyphens to dashes, and if anything straight quotes are an even >>> more egregious typographical mistake, so it feels like something TiddlyWiki >>> should handle for me. >>> >>> I don't believe CodeMirror has any options related to upgrading the >>> characters on insertion, but I do use CodeMirror so that would be an >>> acceptable way too. >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/d89356bc-227f-43d4-ab91-e49bc276c33bn%40googlegroups.com.
