Ton, thanks! sk's plugin failed on only ONE case: getting century-clipped year references to use the curly apostrophe (as in my rant here: https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/biblio-demo.html#%E2%80%9CReal%E2%80%9D%20quote-marks).
But it's generally awesome, and in particular recognized the need to convert to prime and double-prime marks, rather than curly quotes for feet and inches (!) -Springer On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 12:33:00 PM UTC-5 Ton Gerner wrote: > May be this is of use: http://skplugins.tiddlyspot.com/#Fancy%20Quotes > > Cheers, > > Ton > > On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 1:40:10 AM UTC+1 Soren Bjornstad wrote: > >> Thanks everyone. I evidently wasn't clear enough on where I'm at and what >> I was hoping for. >> >> I know how to insert real curly quote characters into TiddlyWiki using my >> preferred input method (I'm on Linux actually, @springer), and I regularly >> do this. However, as with any input method that I'm aware of, it requires >> extra keypresses on top of straight quotes, which would be nice to avoid if >> possible. All of my other editing environments, from word processors to >> text editors to document preparation systems, support one of two ways of >> allowing you to type straight quotes but display curly quotes: >> >> - automatically upgrading straight quotes when *typing* them >> - automatically upgrading straight quotes when *rendering* them from >> source, either during a compilation phase or when displaying the document >> >> The first solution probably isn't too practical for TiddlyWiki, since as >> others have mentioned there is often need to type straight quotes. (In vim >> I can press ^V " for a straight quote with curly-quotes on, but that's not >> supported in CodeMirror.) >> >> smartquotes.js and similar tools work at render time, and they have no >> difficulty avoiding accidentally curling quotation marks that are part of >> code. They automatically skip anything within HTML tags, scripts, <pre> >> blocks, and so on. They dynamically replace the quotation marks within the >> DOM after the page loads, so that the real characters are there afterwards. >> Another set of tools (used in tools like XeTeX, Sphinx, Jekyll, and some >> Markdown renderers) replace at compile time (in TiddlyWiki, this would >> presumably be during parsing). >> >> @Anjar, that's a pretty slick solution with ::before and ::after, but not >> being able to copy the quotation marks is more annoying to me than having >> to spend a bit longer typing them at the start. >> >> I think a solution that's better than what I'm currently doing needs to: >> >> - understand the semantic role of the quotation mark in the text so >> that it knows not to replace quotes that are part of code; >> - work completely automatically, converting " characters to the >> appropriate curly versions when a tiddler or other wikitext is wikified >> (if >> it screws up occasionally, I can go back and put a raw quote that goes >> the >> right direction in) >> - actually place the new character within the DOM so that it copies >> correctly. >> >> If we don't know of anything that exists and adding some feature that >> does this to TiddlyWiki doesn't seem workable, that's a fine answer. It >> just seems a little odd to me that TiddlyWiki is the only serious modern >> document tool I use that doesn't use a library like this. >> >> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 5:16:29 PM UTC-6 springer wrote: >> >>> Soren, I surmise you're on Windows… >>> >>> But if Mac-users find this thread: >>> opt-[ gets you an opening curly-double-quote >>> opt-shift-[ gets you a closing curly-double-quote >>> (for single-quote variants, it's the same as above but with end-bracket: >>> opt-] and opt-shift-] ) >>> >>> There are good reasons not to want tiddlywiki to replace automatically, >>> at least for anyone who makes use of various quote-delimited parameters in >>> macros, etc. For example, Shiraz's <<alert src:"Alert text here">> can work >>> with complex text only when I can type something like: >>> >>> <<alert src:"Don‘t yell “Fire!” in a crowded theater!">> >>> >>> ;) -Springer >>> >>> On Sunday, December 6, 2020 at 9:01:51 PM UTC-5 Soren Bjornstad wrote: >>> >>>> I'm starting to get sick of using a four-button compose-key sequence to >>>> get “curly quotes” in my tiddlers. Has anyone thought about or tried >>>> integrating a library like smartquotes.js >>>> <https://github.com/kellym/smartquotes.js> into TiddlyWiki to >>>> automatically curl "straight quotes" in output? TiddlyWiki automatically >>>> upgrades hyphens to dashes, and if anything straight quotes are an even >>>> more egregious typographical mistake, so it feels like something >>>> TiddlyWiki >>>> should handle for me. >>>> >>>> I don't believe CodeMirror has any options related to upgrading the >>>> characters on insertion, but I do use CodeMirror so that would be an >>>> acceptable way too. >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/454db88f-51b4-48ee-b5b8-386215522d91n%40googlegroups.com.
