Side note: I wonder how many plugins and other solutions depend on tiddlyspot for their demo sites. Authors (like Stephen K) who set things up there may not even realize that its days (even as read-only host) may be numbered.
-Springer On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 2:12:11 PM UTC-5 springer wrote: > Ton, thanks! sk's plugin failed on only ONE case: getting century-clipped > year references to use the curly apostrophe > (as in my rant here: > https://springerspandrel.github.io/tw/biblio-demo.html#%E2%80%9CReal%E2%80%9D%20quote-marks > ). > > But it's generally awesome, and in particular recognized the need to > convert to prime and double-prime marks, rather than curly quotes for feet > and inches (!) > > -Springer > On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 12:33:00 PM UTC-5 Ton Gerner wrote: > >> May be this is of use: http://skplugins.tiddlyspot.com/#Fancy%20Quotes >> >> Cheers, >> >> Ton >> >> On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 1:40:10 AM UTC+1 Soren Bjornstad wrote: >> >>> Thanks everyone. I evidently wasn't clear enough on where I'm at and >>> what I was hoping for. >>> >>> I know how to insert real curly quote characters into TiddlyWiki using >>> my preferred input method (I'm on Linux actually, @springer), and I >>> regularly do this. However, as with any input method that I'm aware of, it >>> requires extra keypresses on top of straight quotes, which would be nice to >>> avoid if possible. All of my other editing environments, from word >>> processors to text editors to document preparation systems, support one of >>> two ways of allowing you to type straight quotes but display curly quotes: >>> >>> - automatically upgrading straight quotes when *typing* them >>> - automatically upgrading straight quotes when *rendering* them from >>> source, either during a compilation phase or when displaying the document >>> >>> The first solution probably isn't too practical for TiddlyWiki, since as >>> others have mentioned there is often need to type straight quotes. (In vim >>> I can press ^V " for a straight quote with curly-quotes on, but that's not >>> supported in CodeMirror.) >>> >>> smartquotes.js and similar tools work at render time, and they have no >>> difficulty avoiding accidentally curling quotation marks that are part of >>> code. They automatically skip anything within HTML tags, scripts, <pre> >>> blocks, and so on. They dynamically replace the quotation marks within the >>> DOM after the page loads, so that the real characters are there afterwards. >>> Another set of tools (used in tools like XeTeX, Sphinx, Jekyll, and some >>> Markdown renderers) replace at compile time (in TiddlyWiki, this would >>> presumably be during parsing). >>> >>> @Anjar, that's a pretty slick solution with ::before and ::after, but >>> not being able to copy the quotation marks is more annoying to me than >>> having to spend a bit longer typing them at the start. >>> >>> I think a solution that's better than what I'm currently doing needs to: >>> >>> - understand the semantic role of the quotation mark in the text so >>> that it knows not to replace quotes that are part of code; >>> - work completely automatically, converting " characters to the >>> appropriate curly versions when a tiddler or other wikitext is wikified >>> (if >>> it screws up occasionally, I can go back and put a raw quote that goes >>> the >>> right direction in) >>> - actually place the new character within the DOM so that it copies >>> correctly. >>> >>> If we don't know of anything that exists and adding some feature that >>> does this to TiddlyWiki doesn't seem workable, that's a fine answer. It >>> just seems a little odd to me that TiddlyWiki is the only serious modern >>> document tool I use that doesn't use a library like this. >>> >>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 5:16:29 PM UTC-6 springer wrote: >>> >>>> Soren, I surmise you're on Windows… >>>> >>>> But if Mac-users find this thread: >>>> opt-[ gets you an opening curly-double-quote >>>> opt-shift-[ gets you a closing curly-double-quote >>>> (for single-quote variants, it's the same as above but with >>>> end-bracket: opt-] and opt-shift-] ) >>>> >>>> There are good reasons not to want tiddlywiki to replace automatically, >>>> at least for anyone who makes use of various quote-delimited parameters in >>>> macros, etc. For example, Shiraz's <<alert src:"Alert text here">> can >>>> work >>>> with complex text only when I can type something like: >>>> >>>> <<alert src:"Don‘t yell “Fire!” in a crowded theater!">> >>>> >>>> ;) -Springer >>>> >>>> On Sunday, December 6, 2020 at 9:01:51 PM UTC-5 Soren Bjornstad wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm starting to get sick of using a four-button compose-key sequence >>>>> to get “curly quotes” in my tiddlers. Has anyone thought about or tried >>>>> integrating a library like smartquotes.js >>>>> <https://github.com/kellym/smartquotes.js> into TiddlyWiki to >>>>> automatically curl "straight quotes" in output? TiddlyWiki automatically >>>>> upgrades hyphens to dashes, and if anything straight quotes are an even >>>>> more egregious typographical mistake, so it feels like something >>>>> TiddlyWiki >>>>> should handle for me. >>>>> >>>>> I don't believe CodeMirror has any options related to upgrading the >>>>> characters on insertion, but I do use CodeMirror so that would be an >>>>> acceptable way too. >>>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/64485979-9c3a-4d08-a197-98f00648856bn%40googlegroups.com.
